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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Maybe I'm too Canadian to understand but where on earth are you able to build a decent gaming PC able to play the latest AAA games on high graphics for $700?

No really, please tell me. I want to upgrade my PC.

Edit: For everyone trying to explain it to me.

  1. There's more to a PC than a CPU and GPU. Those of you giving me only those 2 that make up more than half of the $700 are kind of reinforcing my point.

  2. The key thing here is running AAA games on high settings using this budget. You can't really do that.

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You won't be able to do ultra, but you can do high at 1080p30fps in most every modern game pretty easily for that price. 1080p 60fps for a solid chunk of them too.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MzFVh3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A6coMhaOw0Q

Your point still stands though; you're still better off spending 1000$ so that you don't end up shooting yourself in the foot with regards to upgradeability, which is one of the big reasons people want a PC in the first place.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's still better than consoles can run most native games too lul. People always use the argument that consoles 'just work' at max graphics as a selling point when it's rarely the case. Almost every new game has issues on release that need to be fixed and even after some never run at max.

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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

the PS5 pro uses 60 CU rdna 4, so if you want to match that, buy the supposedly rumored 8800XT that amd is trying to pump more of as they forgoe top end end generation supposedly (basically similar to the RX 480 and RX 5700xt generations)

keep in mind, console and pc sales and cost differ because of where they focus on making money. Sony for example makes money off accessory sales (the ps5 pro is disk driveless and no vertical stand) ontop of never adressing the rampant stick drift problem the dualsense has, ontop of paid online, none of which is any signicant factor on PC, which generally speaking is more front loaded cost heavy but overtime has lower cost in games, services and such.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

With exchange it's closer to $950 cad, best bang for your buck is probably used. Quick glance at kijiji and I saw some 3070tis for sub $400, heck if you're fine with slightly older hardware just saw a ryzen 3700x + 2070 super, ram, full system honestly for $650 cad. You'll probably get quite a bit of mileage out of that CPU, I ran with a 3rd gen i5 for nearly a decade

[–] Hector@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

You could probably build something decent for CAD$1000. Canada computers often have massive discounts on a lot of items. US$700 to CAD$1000 is not that far apart. The console would probably still be more performant but the point is, the prices are not that far apart anymore.

[–] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Assume someone is already going to buy a Chromebook for $200-300. Why not spend $900-1000 on a nicer laptop or desktop and need a console at all?

And if you're a certain age, why invest in an ecosystem that will die with the next hardware iteration, when you've seen it happen over and over? I bought a cartridge of Super Mario Bros 3 in 1993 with my birthday money. Why should I have to buy it again, ever, if I still own the cart? Why not invest in an ecosystem that's by and large always backwards compatible?

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

But friendly reminder: games are almost always cheaper on PC. Maybe not at first, but very quickly.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And you don't pay a monthly fee. Which i only found out a few month ago. Like what the actual fuck

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes no monthly fee just to play multiplayer, that one really saves a lot of money.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

If you use the subscription for like a single console generation, you find out most of the cost of the console was hidden in the find print via those installment payments. At least with the PS5Pro, thanks to the really high console price and relatively short time til the PS6, the cost of the subscription isn't that much if you intend to upgrade to the PS6 immediately. But if you got the original 5 and planned to keep it until the 6, then you might be spending more on your PS5 basic-tier subscription than the MSRP of the PS5Pro (and double if you used premium the whole time).

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

So, did you find out that PC gaming doesn't require a fee, or did you find out that console gaming requires a fee? I'm guessing the latter.

[–] Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It doesn't really matter as a PC does so much more than play games. It's like arguing that a Nintendo Switch is cheaper than an a flagship smartphone. Ok, have fun trying to file your taxes, run blender, write code, browse the web, or backup media on your playstation.

[–] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

on your playstation

PS3linux.net be like

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More importantly, PC has significantly more and better exclusives. Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Ostranauts, and Squad off the top of my head that I've been playing lately. There are so many incredible games, frequently that are $20-40, that will never be on a console. They're never advertised as "PC exclusives" because there's no marketing budget to push that stupid concept, but they are. People always talk about which console to buy because they have better exclusives, but any reasonable person would choose a PC if they cared about that.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes -- and just to add, many of the console AAA exclusives aren't "exclusive" at all, because a significant number end up on PC anyway. They're only exclusives if you're in the PS/XB bubble. (Switch is a standout because Nintendo)

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Switch is only exclusive from PC if you care about legality. The Switch emulators are quite good.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Emulation is legal, but the ways most people obtain ROMs of games usually aren't.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Nintendo confirmed that with me via an email!

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Some sites like Fanatical even have sales and discounts on pre-orders or recent releases. It's nuts.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I really like my PC, but it is the absolute worst, that you cannot buy disc versions for PC anymore, like for consoles.

If you are willing to, you can sell some discs for the same amount you spent before. Especially price stable games like Fromsoft titles.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is a good point, but I think in 5 years, it won't be a thing on consoles either. The ability to resell implies ownership.

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 23 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

A gaming GPU has cost as much as a console for a while now.

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

There are console comparable to RX 6600 that costs 200$/€?

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Steam Deck all the way. Also Sony's been shit since at least the 2011 hack.

You can also get PC games from all kinds of sources and sales that ultimately are far cheaper than the pithy Playstation sales. It greatly offsets costs over time.

You also have far more backwards compatibility and flexibility especially to do things with controller profiles and mods, etc.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Not to mention in 5 years you can replace one part on the pc and increase performance.

You don't need to upgrade every part every time

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Remember when everyone though the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars?

[–] hoghammertroll@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago

For context, $599 in 2006 dollars equals $911.41 in 2024

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

I remember when they announced the first PlayStation right after Sega announced the Saturn was going to be $500 and the Sony dude just came out and said "299" and then bounced.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

PS1 launched at $299 in September 1995, which would be about $614 right now.

PS2 launched also at $299 in October 2000, which would be about $541 right now.

PS3 launched at $599 in November 2006, which would be about $935 right now.

PS4 launched at $399 in November 2013, which would be about $538 right now.

PS4 Pro launched at $399 in November 2016, which would be about $520 right now.

PS5 Digital launched at $399 in November 2020, which would be about $482 right now.

PS5 Disc launched at $499 in November 2020, which would be about $603 right now.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, people thought the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars because it WAS insane at 599 US dollars lol

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Remember when everyone though the PS3 was insane at 599 US dollars?

The day Microsoft did smile, as finally they could see an actual chance for their xbox thing.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You can't even get probably the equivalent graphics card in there for less than $700. I still think PCs are more expensive.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Thinking is but a step on the path to knowing.

[–] averyminya 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does it have to be equivalent? There are plenty of builds that will work just fine for gaming, they just aren't 1440p or 4k, or 120hz.

There's also that these computers can do a lot more than just game, so while you're not getting "top of the line" graphical fidelity from your console, you can actually use it to browse the web, or run some software in your home.

Then there's also the fact that if you want to play online it requires you pay a subscription. So even just the $10 a month for the subscription is $120 a year for every year you didn't buy a PC instead.

So, are PC's really more expensive, or is it the fallacy of needing the absolute best and then paying out the nose in after-ownership fees for the entire duration you own the console?

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Last year 1080p displays were still 65% or so of steam users, so there's a bunch of people would be served perfectly well with older GPUs you can get for a couple hunski instead of buying a 4080 to cram a 12 inch rod through a 4 inch hole.

You can get a comparable GPU for $400 used (rx 6900 xt) and still have $300 for everything else.

[–] tilefan@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been looking for an excuse to switch to pc.

[–] hand@lemmy.studio 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

That is honestly the most true picture ever lol

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Why would I buy a digital only console for 700 usd? My pc is digital only. The only reason I even buy consoles is physical games, but Sony wants to stop giving that option.

The worst part of this for me is that I remember when you could build a PC with better specs than a console for the same price. Now we're coming back full circle to where that might be possible again, but graphics cards never truly came down from their inflated crypto mining prices. So that means consoles are just getting more expensive and everybody is losing.

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