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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 118 points 2 months ago (5 children)

By that metric, kelvin would be even better though.

[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 110 points 2 months ago (2 children)

by that metric

Americans cannot understand any metric

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

2 liter bottle.

Checkmate, athiests.

[–] chipt4 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also we have electric, water and gas meters smh

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is why I say 'metre' for the measure and 'meter' for the measurement device

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 5 points 2 months ago

And Demeter for the harvest

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[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You mean it's THREE HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN FUCKING DEGREES OUTSIDE?!

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[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 89 points 2 months ago (13 children)

For proof that this thread is just people justifying what they know as better somehow, look no further than Canada.

We do cooking temps in Fahrenheit, weather in Celsius. Human weights in pounds, but never pounds and oz. Food weights in grams, cooking weights in pounds and oz. Liquid volume in millilitres and litres, but cooking in cups, teaspoons and tablespoons. Speed & distance in kilometres, heights in feet and inches.

Try and give this any consistency and people will look at you like you’re fucked. The next town is 100km over, I’m 5ft 10in, a can of soda is 355ml, it’s 21c out and I have the oven roasting something at 400f. Tell me it’s 68f out and I will fight you.

People like what they are used to, and will bend over backwards to justify it. This becomes blatantly obvious when you use a random mix of units like we do, because you realize that all that matters is mental scale.

If Fahrenheit is “how people feel” then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft? They aren’t. You just know the scale in your head, so when someone says they’re 7ft tall you say “dang that’s tall”. That’s it.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We do cooking temps in Fahrenheit, weather in Celsius.

Fahrenheit: let's use "really cold weather" as zero and "really hot weather" as 100.

Celsius: let's use "freezing water" as zero, and "boiling water" as 100.

Canucks:

[–] IntheTreetop@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

This makes a lot of sense, and why I'd never survive in Canada.

[–] Bongles@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If Fahrenheit is “how people feel” then why are feet useful measurements of height when 90% of people are between 4ft and 6ft?

Those are two different things. Hope this helps.

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It doesn’t help at all, it’s being intentionally obtuse. You know what I mean, it’s unhelpful to pretend otherwise and pick a fight over it.

[–] Bongles@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If an argument is being made for one thing, Fahrenheit, it's not relevant to bring up a different thing. Why is feet a useful measurement? Maybe it's not, we're talking about temperature.

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[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 months ago

TWO HUNDRED AND SEVETY THREE KELVIN I'M FREEZING

[–] Korrok@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 2 months ago

41°C sounds terrifying to me

[–] hex@programming.dev 43 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Once again... the classic argument of: "Well, I grew up using this system, and I'm used to the system. I have built an internal intuition for how hot and cold the temperature is. I am used to >100 being hot! 40 is not hot!"

Well then. I grew up using celcius and... "IT'S FOURTY FUCKING ONE DEGREES OUTSIDE?" sounds just as hot.

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[–] BlackDragon@slrpnk.net 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Sounds like a great time to propose my system of temperature: Super Celsius. I'll connect it to the freezing and boiling points of water just like Celsius, but while freezing remains at 0, boiling is now 1000. Get ready for a nice mild day of 250.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] grubberfly@mander.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

we could use the freezing and boiling points of humans, for a change

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[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago (4 children)

In Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves, the number of thieves wasn't really necessarily 40. The number was likely just chosen because 40 was an exaggerated number, much like when we'd say "I've told you a hundred million times". So 40 as a shorthand for "a huge amount" seems fitting in celcius.

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[–] OkGo@lemm.ee 19 points 2 months ago

Ah America, bigger is always a better isn’t it?

[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago

That's why I only use Kelvin. 314.15 sounds like 3 times more "WTF HOW HOT IS TODAY??!?" than your paltry 107

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I present the temperature scale that I made up- the Human Scale (H°)

I thought about the Fahrenheit vs Celsius debate, and I think both have practical uses, however I think combined they could make a very practical scale.

Fahrenheit: while my American sensibilities agree that 100° is a good marker for what % of my patience is used up to cut a bitch, I think a similar place would be the average human body temperature. For this reason, 100°H = 98.6°F . It's not a perfect match, but it can still give us the satisfaction of "IT'S 100°!?" while having practical implications for medical uses "your body temperature is 102°, 2° warmer than average".

Celsius: I think this scale makes a ton of sense for colder temperatures. When the thermometer reads 0°, that's when you can expect snow. For this reason, 0°H = 0°C.

The conversation rates are:

H = (F-32) × 1.5

H= C × 2.7

More precise is

H = (F-32) × 1.501501501...

H = C × 2.7027027027...

While using the freezing point of water and the average human body temperature seem like inconsistent and arbitrary benchmarks, my goal is less about consistency and more about practicality for everyday use.

Now watch this scale grow as big as Esperanto.

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[–] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

Fuck it. I'm inventing a new scale.

Behold! "Disagree Degrees". We're going to combine the best traits of the other units. No more searching for the stupid little degree character in the character map. D for degrees or disagrees - whatever, I don't give a shit.

0D = 0K (Like Kelvin, no negatives! That's so dumb!) 0.4D = -40 C and -40 F 1D = Water Freezing point (Need a consistent point of scale) 10D = "Pleasant temperature" 100D = Kind of hot 500D = Really hot for people (>40C or >100F) "It's like 500 disagrees out there!" 1000D= Water boiling (To match the freezing temp) 1,000,000,000,000D = Surface of the sun

Good luck on the math converting to other units, this temperature scale isn't about being useful for nerd stuff, it's all about appealing to our emotions.

[–] jpablo68@infosec.pub 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

good point, but to us Celsius fans or "Celsilovers" over one hundred sounds like the apocalypse.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which is the closest thing to a legitimate criticism of celcius that exists. The entire top half of the scale (everything over ~50°, that is) is pretty much useless as far as judging the weather is concerned.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 11 points 2 months ago

I hate that I agree with this lol

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Bigger number is more better” also explains American sports where you get 3 points for running a bit and then play stops for an ad break and the national anthem.

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[–] suzune@ani.social 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What? 100°F is too mild. It doesn't even boil water!

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm gonna be honest. I love Celsius for the the whole perfect math reasons with calories and water based measurement...

But the curve on temps is a pain when all the nice temperatures require using a decimal place to decide just how slightly above or below pleasant it is but cold is basically everything from 16°C to -30°C And then decimals really matter when hotter than pleasant temps.

Whole rounded integers are just so vastly different depending how high or low you are in Celsius.

[–] grepehu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I don't know man, I've lived my entire life in a country that only uses Celsius and I've never seen a single place or person using decimals to display temperature we always use whole numbers.

I get your point but the difference in 1 degree in Celsius is still very insignificant to the point we don't really need decimals at all.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In the end it's the humidity that gets you

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

But really it is much better for human temperatures.

It's just intuitive, 0F is 100% cold, and 100F is 100% hot.

When the dry bulb gets above 100F, wind only cools you down by sweat evaporation, and when the wet bulb gets above 100F, even that can't cool you down, and you will die if you don't get to a cooler or drier environment.

[–] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I love it when it's -10% hot in winter nights or 110% hot around the equator. Makes perfect sense.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ITT: Europeans tie their personal identity to an arbitrary scale for the expression of mean entropy.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago

It's no just Wuropeans, but the majority of the world

[–] computerscientistII@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fahrenheit is such a nice system. 0 is really, really cold and 100 is really really hot. So 50 must just be perfect, right?

Way more intuitive then Celsius.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Celsius isn't all that different.

-30 is really really cold, 30 is really really hot.

0 is just about perfect.

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[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago

FOUR THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED MILLICELCIUS?!

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