Everything about privacy (the confidentiality pillar of security) -- but not restricted to infosec. Offline privacy is also relevant here.
The arrest of #Telegram's founder Pavel #Durov sets a dangerous precedent for what kind of action can be taken against supporters of #privacy & #cryptography.
Don't settle for anything less than E2E #encryption! We've created a list of the top encrypted messaging apps to help!
π https://tuta.com/blog/best-whatsapp-alternatives-privacy
@Tutanota@mastodon.social Hi! Your comment re @signalapp@mastodon.world is no longer true. No need to use a telephone number. Pseudo is enough. Please update your article :
β However, to use Signal one must provide a valid mobile phone number to the messaging service, which prevents anyone from using Signal with complete anonymity.
Cons Others can see that your are using Signal (if phone number is known)
You need to provide a phone number to create a signal account. You don't need it to start a conversation.
@Daklon thanks for your comment, I thought tel numb wasnβt needed anymore to create an account either
@Tutanota@mastodon.social This is certainly a take. I expected better of you, Tuta.
@Tutanota@mastodon.social I am a bit surprised that you name Google messages and iMessage as one of the best alternatives to WhatsApp. They are end to end encrypted, but I would not not assume that Google or Apple are even remotely better than Facebook.
@Tutanota@mastodon.social though putting Telegram in the same basket as any other (real) e2e encrypted application is a mistake.
FTR, default chats aren't encrypted at all in Telegram, ppl have to take extra steps to get actual encryption. We really can't talk about "encryption" in that case.
Still - valid point, this is again "them" trying to undermine communication secrecy "for the good of children" and other consideration, accusing the tool, not the ppl.
@Daemon@social.tengu.ch We agree that Telegram is not a secure messaging app due to its lack of end-to-end encryption. We apologize if this post was unclear.
@Tutanota@mastodon.social
You're on the wrong side of this one...
It's not a privacy/cryptography issue, especially since Telegram isn't really E2E encrypted.
@Tutanota@mastodon.social telegram isn't private or secure, and a significant number of users are racists and homophobic
@Tutanota@mastodon.social bad take, do better π€¦π»
@Tutanota@mastodon.social To be clear, Telegram is an active vector of russiaβs genocidal war against πΊπ¦, and its disinformation operations against the West.
Durov is a Kremlin asset whose platform, the West cannot afford to give free rein to when matters of national security for France, Ukraine and NATO allies are at stake.
Goebbels famously said, βIt will always remain one of the best jokes of democracy that it provided its mortal enemies with the means through which it was annihilated.β
@Tutanota@mastodon.social Telegram is not really supporter of privacy..E2EE is optional in DM's, no E2EE in group chats, colleting metadata, almost the same as whatsapp...if you treat them as private I'm concerned about using Tuta.π«
@nictakiego@mastodon.com.pl Telegram should not considered a secure messaging app because it does not guarantee end-to-end encryption by default.
We apologize if this message was less than clear in the above post.
@Tutanota@mastodon.social It's okay, but you spread some false informations, not just confusing informations. Another things: signal is not anonymous, thats even the reason why session exists, telegram is not open source (most people use it on mobile, not on desktop). This is cool you try to popularize privacy messengers, but I think you should do more research for this article.
@nictakiego@mastodon.com.pl Thanks for your feedback. We will review the article and get it updated to avoid inaccuracies.
@Tutanota@mastodon.social SimpleX is currently the most anonymous and secure chat, above Session, as Session keeps some metadata from what I read on the internet.
SimpleX relies on a network of relays (SMP servers): these ones can be joined directly or you can connect to their onion equivalent through Tor. This will give you an overlay to hide your IP. It uses Orbot on android for that.
And you can install your own SMP server(s) if you want if you don't trust the native ones, connected of course to Tor.
@Tutanota@mastodon.social and #CONVERSATIONS ?!
Where is Conversations?
Why don't they give more publicity to one of the best secure, open source apps that use the #xmpp protocol?
@xmpp@fosstodon.org
@Tutanota@mastodon.social
@Tutanota@mastodon.social
It's very strange not to mention the most universal standard IM protocol, #XMPP (or #Jabber). I had put it as number one, maybe in its incarnation #Snikket π
Also, as we are here in the #Fediverse and you are in the business of open, federated, standard email, I suggest to leave out all centralised walled gardens (Signal, Threema, Wire, Telegram, iMessage, Google Messages). They all do harm to users #digitalSovereignty.
