Please stop releasing new products and finish the ones you've got. I've been waiting for feature parity on the Linux VPN client since like 5 product launches ago...
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Fucking YES. Good God it's like at this point just STOP. Take a BREATH. And focus on what you have. They need to stop spreading themselves so thin.
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I tried ProtonVPN and got a refund, because their Linux implementation is lacking
Why
Exactly. Bitcoin is a zombie technology. And Monero is taking the reins.
All crypto-currencies are overhyped, almost cult-like trash that do nothing but create problems and waste energy. The whole lot of them, no exceptions and they will all fade away eventually, when the fad moves on.
Except, that you missed the fact that it has moved on. It's now on AI and crypto is still around and growing.
[ insert chart of market cap over time ]
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It's crazy that they chose bitcoin over monero
They're a for-profit: they cater to the most successful scam.
Not exactly. Proton is still for-profit, they just now have a non-profit foundation behind it. Just like Mozilla does.
A for-profit that wrapped itself in a non-profit shell that is empty and just run by the for-profit?
Didn't they just switch to a nonprofit format, though?
Or shielded Zcash
You would think that someone at Proton would've had the foresight to realise the reputational damage this (along with the LLM announcement) would do to the company.
Without wanting to sound smart after the fact, I've been suspicious about Proton for years. I briefly had an email account with them but I could never quite shake the feeling there is something off about the whole company. This move just confirms to me I was correct to be suspicious.
Out of interest what was it you were suspicious of?
A few little things rather than one or two big things - email advertised as private but they won't let you use anonymous addresses (like anonaddy or duck.com) for recovery addresses, an ever growing portfolio of products that seem unfinished or incomplete or lacking in standard features like they're trying to corner the whole privacy market rather than making one or two products but making them really good, poor customer service and support as a continual theme throughout their existence.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting they're doing anything dodgy, I just feel that I don't really trust them. They just make really odd choices and it all feels like a haphazard rush.
Oh no no no no no. I half thought this was like an onion article or something. Seems like a pivotal misstep
No
Its crazy that this article doesn't even have a single section that warns the user that all of their transactions will be publicly visible.
You would think a privacy company would use a privacy coin. Did they give up on privacy?
Are they going to publish all of their customers emails publicly too? Or only their monetary transactions?
People actually use bitcoin for critical use cases. It satisfies needs in their lives that don't just have to do with crypto. Another vanity coin is not a substitute.
I said a privacy coin. Not a vanity coin.
People actually use monero for critical use cases where privacy is important.
So, this is embarrassing. Apparently up until this point, every time someone said, "monero," what I heard was "Venmo", and I just tuned out that pay pal bullshit every single time. Oops. I know better now, thanks.
Proton is the main predator and one of first who started with the boom privacy scandals and when this “privacy market” started. Also NEVER give all your stuff and depend on one company. In IT is something that causes severe harm just because management want to get the bonus by saving money. A lot of people made billions from the fear of privacy. Terror terror terrror terror terror oil oil oil oil
Predatory is an interesting view, how so?
First AI and now freaking Bitcoin...
Long term Proton User here and general privacy enthusiast. Don't read into that as I'm wedded to proton, or a shill. Genuinely looking for others opinion here.
Why does this indicate the company is no longer commited to privacy and indicate that its clearly some sort of a sham? I'm no crypto expert, the only crypto I have any of is XMR and even thats just reserved for as and when services allow me to pay with it. Really this new offering is of no interest or use to me so I'm by no means defending it. The same goes for their AI. I'm struggling to understand how these 2 decisions are being perceived as the death of Proton and how its no longer a Privacy Company though?
From my understanding, Protons offerings are still worlds more private than other mainstream offerings, and still come with a fairly high degree of quality of life features that make it easy for Joe public to use and not be put off by lack of features. Is this not still a major victory in the grand scheme of all privacy rights being slowly stripped away?
Have I missed something else behind the scenes around Proton's practice's that are indicative of a larger problem or are people annoyed more so that Proton haven't fixed long outstanding pain points with their existing solutions? Trust me, I understand the frustration as a Linux user that several features dont work but as a business I also appreciate proton have to stay ahead in the market and appeal to the masses in order to make a profit and keep running effectively as a business so would love to hear some other views on why this and AI has been so badly recievdd as a whole by the privacy community.
Also, what alternatives are there I have missed that work well on android and Linux without making sacrifices? Always down to try alternatives