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[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But the times are not tougher by themselves, they become tougher because of capitalism itself. So it was Homelander all along

[–] Cube6392 10 points 2 months ago

Fascism is simply the conclusion of capitalism. Antifa is a bunch of socialists because socialism is the only cure. Anticomm and Fascism have so much overlap as movements because they're the same movement. Even in the historical context of the first rise of fascism, who took the reins of power was people promising the capital holders they'd protect them from those scary laborers. And do you know what we don't talk about enough in America? We don't talk enough about why fascism didn't take hold here. Its because in the 1920s the capital holders had seen what would happen in America if they tried to do a fascism: the coal miners rose up in violent revolt. We had what legitimately qualified as a civil war in West Virginia with the labor movement. It's one of only two times american citizens on home soil have been bombed by an air force.

My concern is this: we don't have enough people in this country right now who love their brethren enough to stand against fascism. I ask everyone to do this: look at the Black Lives Matter movement. Realize what the African American communities right next to you are doing to resist the police brutality they experience, the fascism they are already experiencing and resisting. Join them. Link arms with them. The reality is the antifascist movement in America is nothing new. How we prevent fascism from rising is we make sure the violent weirdos know we are many and they are few. Make sure they know they don't have the man power to take over

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fascism is simply Capitalism when the Capitalists succeed enough

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Not entirely.

Germany wasn't having a very successful economy when Nazism started.

Nor did Italy or Spain.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That relies on the assumption that what's good for the economy is good for the capitalists, they always make sure that capitalism occasionally goes up in flames to take advantage of social unrest.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Considering the capitalists have forced the world to arbitrarily measure the "economy" by measuring how willing rich people are to play in the rich man casino...

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 13 points 2 months ago

That's the point.

In Germany there was a battle between left and right back then. The economy boomed in the 20s and faltered in the 30s. Capitalists saw the threat of socialism looming just behind Poland and so they supported fascism.

The Nazis funneled billions into large businesses. It was unsustainable and morally multi-level wrong, but they skimmed a lot of profits from these agreements. They got rich, while the economy started to collapse - even before the war.

Even after the war, most of them got away. They kept much of their wealth.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

In fact, fascism often gains support from middle class desperation, with the blessing of the booj who prefer it over communism (which tends to rise from the lower classes during similar times of desperation)

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From the peanut gallery, aka me..... Most business are run under a more fascist principle.

I'm not talking about how the business operates in the market, or whatever.... I'm talking about internal organizational behaviour.

Things are often very "my way or the highway", with management, owners, etc.

Of course, not all businesses, but most follow some fairly fascist ideologies. They'll tell you where to be, what to bring, what to do, when to stop... And hey, where are your papers? .... I mean... Where is your company issued identification card?

They'll watch what you're doing, monitor and surveil you as much as they are legally allowed, govern every moment that they can, of every day you're working there.

Capitalism and the pursuit of profit is their objective, the governance is fascist.

Business leaders engage in fascism.

.... Why are we surprised that this brain rot is leaking out into actual politics? Trump is literally known for running businesses.... Mostly into the ground/bankruptcy, but still. His whole thing is him being the boss. The ruler and Lord dictator over his tiny island. How are we so surprised that he's a fascist? Shocked picachu

The best move the Nazis made was convincing everyone that yeah, the Nazis lost and are gone forever.... They're literally hiding in plain sight.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 19 points 2 months ago

It should be of little surprise (and much more widespread knowledge) that just about everyone with money in the 1930s financially supported the actual Nazi party, including but not limited to Henry Ford and George W Bush's grandfather.

I actually disagree with the meme; capitalism is always fascism, just sometimes has a better PR team.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's not what fascism is. Fascism isn't "when there are shitty strict rules". In fact, classical fascism is a (failed) class collaborationist ideology where the state was supposed to mediate between interest groups of workers and bosses. protip: it didn't. workers got screwed. (see corporatism, from the root word corpus, not corporation). Nazism didn't do any of that but even they had their own garbage state-run labor front.

But the point being, those business are beyond even fascism. It's straight-up pure raw capitalist dictatorship.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Also a result of the inevitable decline of Capitalism and Imperialism, which is what we are seeing in America, a desparate and incorrect ploy to "turn the clock back" to the "good old days."

It can't be beaten electorally, it will remain until it either succeeds or Capitalism itself is escaped and we transition to Socialism.

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ToUgH tImEs BrEeD ToUgH mEn

[–] Dungrad@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago

God I hate that so much! Yes Brady, you are the tough guy who will safe us all while being afraid of plant based food and pronouns.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I actually watches the first season of the boys recently. Killer show. Its stunning that any real person could have ever looked up to Homelander in any capacity.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago

The most recent season has a surprising amount of sexually assaulting Huey though. The first time they even play it for laughs.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 13 points 2 months ago

Dont forget the red scare whenever capitalism even thinks about faltering to remind us all of the evils of just giving hungry people food or letting them see a doctor.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

superman would obliterate homelander

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And unregulated hyper-capitalism is what happens when communism fails

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, sadly. During the dissolution of the USSR, millions of people died, literacy rates plumetted, safety nets were plundered by opportunistic Capitalists, and the State was sliced up and sold for parts. This privitization was a disaster for the common worker.

[–] immutable@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m sure after decades of capitalism they are doing fine now.. right?! Oh no

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Technically, they are just now approaching the metrics they had in the USSR, so they are getting there! Just slowly and unequally.

[–] immutable@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I’ve been so sad to see the privatization of NASA. It feels very similar to me. SpaceX celebrating about launching a rocket into low earth orbit after spending billions in taxpayer money. How is this progress? We could do it back in the 60s with the equivalent computing power you can find in a $7 wristwatch today. Why didn’t we just keep building on our success, no we had to privatize, so that we could reach a beautiful end goal where space would not be for science and exploration funded by the people with its fruits improving humanity.

No we all had to pull together so spacex can build a massive taxpayer funded toll booth and every time America would like to visit the stars some billionaires can collect their cut. And people cheer

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Now go check out how much each launch of the shuttle cost ($1.5 billion per flight) and compare it to the costs by SpaceX. The shuttle was launched 135 times, SpaceX has had more launches than that in the last 3 years. That tiny computer got us to the moon, but it wasn't enough to make rockets or boosters be able to land or be reusable. And don't bring up the farce of reusability of the shuttle. The number I recall from back when it was still flying was a 75% overhaul to get it flight ready.

Elon may be an enormous asshole, but SpaceX has taken what they got from NASA and moved it to the point where they're one of a handful of groups who could get us back to the moon, and doing better than any corporation on that front (China may surpass them, and Artemis only counts as a long-term concern if they can do more than 5 or 6 launches ever, which is not the current plan).

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Yep, Capitalism has been a disaster. I cannot wait for it to finally be a footnote in history.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Yes, which is why it is important to protect communist projects from capitalist backed coups, like the presidential coup that illegally and undemocratically dissolved the USSR

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

"Who are you?"

"I'm you if Batman didn't have a ring what makes you a removed ass"

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What a crossover that would be

Homelander V Superman

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Surely it was a tough pick between using Superman or Captain America in the top panel.

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