You need something like DamnSmallLinux, not Debian. Debian users about 800 MB of RAM with XFce, on a clean boot. It requires a minimum of 2 GB with a modern browser (one tab, 4+ GB with more tabs). DamnSmallLinux uses about 128 MB RAM on a clean boot, and with the Netfront browser about half a gig. Definitely better for such a laptop than any modern distro.
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Maybe try Openbox instead of XFCE. Can't promise it'll add much memory but with 1gb RAM I guess every bit counts?
Edit: just had a quick look around, and it looks like your machine can be upgraded to a whopping 2gb RAM... It's still not great, but it is a 100% increase in memory.
Edit 2: I'm not actually recommending you buy RAM from memorystock.com, it just turned up at the top of my search results. The page should give you the type and version you'll need to look for, though.
I once swapped a Debian install with XFCE to just running Openbox instead of a full DE and got down to 300Mb or so of memory usage. This was about a decade ago so obviously YMMV but given literally all I did was run Debian with just openbox and no DE, there's probably additional tuning to be done that can get them to a more usable state
SSD upgrade
And then ZRAM and swap like hell
Won't that kill the SSD on short notice? Or can they make do with it for years?
I mean, worth the tradeoff? Zram would just make the cpu work more. Swap... kill the ssd
But over time. SSDs can handle a lot, like a couple of years?
Won't be a couple of years if you're constantly swapping, no.
Not really, if you would spend a lot more on SDD drives instead of getting a modern computer
Do you have numbers? I dont think its that dramatic
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This will be the single biggest change you can make. Swapping an hdd for a cheap 256gb ssd will make a bigger difference than any DE changes.
JWM is my suggestion. It's a floating window manager (not tiling) that doesn't require almost any knowledge or key bindings to use and it has all necessary stuff included out of the box afaik. You can also use xdgmenumaker to make the right click/Start menu better.
If that's one of those old 10" netbooks, I had good experiences running dwm and xmonad on mine back in the day (had an Acer and later an MSI Wind U120(?)). Typically ran all my apps maximized, one per desktop. Firefox did okay, but this was around 2010-2012. Mostly stuck with terminal apps and it was more than snappy enough.
Some screenshots from days past...
Ohhh, the MSI Wind. One of my favorite devices, so much value for money. Loved it
Me too! I can't recall now why I parted with it, but I wish I hadn't. Would love to see what it could do today.
RAM broke and was soldered in :(
Try puppy linux ?
It's a bit on the complicated side but still a good distro.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot, that laptops real old, so go ahead and regrease the cpu.
I have two roughly 10 years old laptop that is completely usable, how do I go about regreasing the cpu (M14x r2 & A1502)?
Locate the service manuals or some kind of tear down. Confirm that the process will be within your capability. Order some thermal compound. Disassemble the laptop until you remove the heatsink from the cpu. Clean the old cpu and heatsink with isopropyl until it’s as clean as can possibly be. Apply new thermal compound. Reassemble laptop.
this might be the service manual for the alienware
A1502 could be a lot of laptops, use the emc number or serial to find out which one or just look for the MacBook Pro NN,n number in the about option under the Apple menu. It doesn’t matter which one you have, they’re all really easy to work on and well documented.
Check on youtube there is probably a video on how to open and do it your laptop model
either you go the easy route and use a distribution targeted towards low spec systems like damn small linux or you go the difficult route and implement the same measures that they implement onto your debian installation.
last time i was in your situation i ended up doing both and i'm glad i did because my version of the build never worked as well as the custom distro.
You can try something like antiX but it won't do good as a desktop. I use my netbook as a home server with pi-hole in it.
Compile your own kernel for those atom processors and they work much better.
It’s not hard, there’s a text interface for it where you just pick what to do from a list.
That will only speed it up slightly at best and at worse it will be slower
I've never compiled my kernel so I'm not familiar with what is happening there, but why could that be faster? Is it only installing drivers for present devices, or what is happening?
I can’t remember off the top of my head because it’s been a long while, but there’s some weird option inside the configurator that accounts for one of the things the early atom line doesn’t have that the default kernel expects out of x86 or x64 processors.
Of course, any binary program that was compiled with the expectation of that capacity would also have weird hangs and slowness, but (like I said, a while ago) that didn’t tend to cause a 1.3ghz atom to be slower than a 700mhz pentium m.
Oooh. So I keep a Dell Mini 10 (1GB RAM, ~1GHz Atom) around with Haiku on it. It's brilliant! The UI is super snappy even on such an old machine, and I can even run pretty modern software on it. I used it yesterday to work on my website a bit. :)
I didn't know Haiku had actual hardware support!
Looking up the specs of a D270, looks like the memory is upgradable.
It also looks like the Intel Atom N2600 it has (from my reading) is actually a 64-bit processor
I'd probably say you shouldn't have much trouble finding a bigger DDR3 memory stick for it for dirt cheap or free from an e-wasted notebook
Ultimately it depends if the performance loss you're finding is memory limited or CPU limited right now, but I would think that giving it 2 or 4GB + giving it 64-bit would go a long way
Zram
Antix linux is a very begginer friendly distro with very light specs
replace HDD with SSD, number one thing to do if possible.
lxde or lxqt are quite a bit lighter then xfce.
you could try tiny core linux. it really depends what programs you want to run.
Maybe try bunsenlabs? It's uses openbox instead of a de.
I run it on a pentium m laptop and it runs well enough
Pentium m 735, 1 gb of ddr ram
First install an SSD if you haven't already. Next install ublock origin in Firefox ESR and tighten down the security settings to max plus turn off all telemetry, studies and other "features." Don't use a Mozilla account as that adds overhead.
It still will be slow but it should be usable with a few tabs. Do not try to do video playback as the old GPU doesn't support modern video formats so the CPU ends up decoding it all.
Do not run Slitaz as is fully of security problems and vulnerabilities. What's worse is that there website has security holes on it. There is a page on the bug tracker that runs arbitrary JavaScript and prints out the time as an example. It also has been abandoned and is no longer maintained all that well.
1gb of ram is quiet a bit. I've ran Debian Xfce4 on simular hardware it it works with a few tabs. The problem is the modern internet is graphics heavy and the old GPU doesn't have a lot of power. If you don't block ads with Ublock origin it will grind to a halt as the video and image rendering will be done by the CPU as the GPU is to old.
I’ve ran Debian Xfce4 on simular hardware
OP did say he tried Debian with xfce and it was slow, I don't see the point in insisting on using that
Because it isn't going to be faster to use something else else. Unless they added a ton of stuff it shouldn't use more than a quarter of the ram. Firefox suspends tabs under ram pressure so that shouldn't be an issue either.
I've done work on a old Atom with 1gb of ram. It isn't fast but it gets the job done. You can't just make old hardware run fast by changing the desktop
I am currently running Antix on my Acer Aspire One D255 with mixed results, Falkon to browse the "modern" web, and netsurf for simple websites, can't play 1080p videos smoothly so I have to first resize them with ffmpeg (it takes a long time but it's doable), other stuff like libreoffice works flawlessly.