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The Trump campaign aims to use today's shooting as a sort of Reichstag fire to incite his supporters to step up street violence while calling for more state repression targeting his enemies of choice.

The Biden campaign has already paused all outbound communications and withdrawn their television advertisements, ceding the entire field of narrative to Donald Trump, who will have no compunction about using his status as a victim to advance his efforts to victimize others.

One of the classic mechanics of totalitarianism is that protecting the safety of the leader becomes a justification for violence against large swathes of the population.

As centrists join the far right in paving the way for totalitarian rule under Trump, we have to organize to defend our communities. If you have been in denial about the challenges ahead of us, this should be a wake-up call to find each other and prepare for them.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This was my literal second thought after I heard what happened.

[–] detectivemittens 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was worried about this since people were whipping a frenzy about how this had to be antifa.

The shooter is a white male gun enthusiast Republican. How awkward for MAGA.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was worried about this since people were whipping a frenzy about how this had to be antifa.

The complete and utter failure to understand what antifa is and is not has been one of the most entertaining aspects of the maga cult.

Remember that very neatly painted "anarchy" symbol that "antifa" painted on that guys garage? lol

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-trump-supporter-pleads-guilty-fire-blamed-left-wing-vandals-rcna51799

Could a Democrat or a "leftist" have been responsible for the attempt on Trump? Sure, but it seemed unlikely to me, and not because I have some belief that the left doesn't have guns or nutjobs. Just didn't feel like that kind of thing.

But "antifa" coming to assassinate anyone? No. Sorry magas, antifa seems as hard for you to understand as is basic empathy for people unlike yourselves.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago

When has the truth ever posed an obstacle for them? Or anyone else for that matter?

[–] The_Che_Banana 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Here come the ~~brownshirts~~ Khaki chinos boys

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can type 2 ~ on both sides for strike through text. So ~~brownshirts~~ becomes ~~brownshirts~~

[–] The_Che_Banana 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

sub sub makes the font smaller, its "~~" on either side that made it work, but thank you for giving me the tip so i can fart around with formatting now!

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I couldn't tell on my phone what specifically you were going for lol. It looked like you were trying to do the strike through text joke and the formatting didn't work. Either way I'm glad it helped. I love using formatting tricks to play around with words in comment sections like this. Have a good one!

[–] The_Che_Banana 1 points 2 months ago
[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 23 points 2 months ago

This is so bloody unreal. The main suspect was even a registered Republican. All of this according to the FBI.

There was some evidence that the Reichstag was torched by the Nazis as well. I can really do without the irony.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Some notes:

  • almost no doubt: this will have a mobilizing effect for Trump supporters ("our great leader is being attacked", etc)

  • possibly: this will improve Trump's ratings among voters with no clear political preference (a big story where he's not the villain is what he needs)

  • pattern: historically, surviving an assassination attempt has improved a candidate's chances of getting elected; in the most recent example, Slovakia's prime minister Fico enjoyed a boost in ratings while in hospital after being seriously wounded

I don't blame Democrats for temporarily ceasing campaign advertisement. Two principles dictate this: "you don't kick a person who is already down" (Trump was incredibly lucky and isn't) and "you don't attack someone who has martyrdom effect". Generally, you wait until the dust settles. Democrats too will wait until the dust settles. They will also check the popularity ratings and decide how to proceed.

In my opinion, Democrats would strongly benefit from a younger candidate. I would advise getting someone under 55 to run. Among the wider population, not enough people understand that, as things are, the Democratic candidate is Kamala Harris, her name is just currently Joe Biden. :o

Overall, it seems that Trump has considerable chances of getting elected president. Preventing that will require exceptional effort and considerable luck. Only if the Democrats manage to paint a clear picture of what a Trump presidential term would bring about, and only if that picture causes their voters to show up and vote nearly without exception - only then will things turn out differently.

My personal view from Eastern Europe - contingency plans for a Trump presidency ceasing aid to Ukraine have a very high probability of occurrence now (estimated time: early 2025). Over here, everyone and their cat will researching cheap weapons systems to replace things that only the US can provide. I think that group will now include myself.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago

And to think I had people downvoting and screaming at me in other threads when I pointed out that this would happen.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Against who though? People grocery shopping?

[–] intelisense@lemm.ee 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anyone who's not white, straight or Christian.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago

You wrote "or" but really it's "and". Anyone not like them is the enemy in their eyes.

[–] Bieren@lemy.lol 4 points 2 months ago

Without a doubt they will. And when he wins the election, he will ban guns and take them away. Can’t have a chance of something like this happening again.

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 2 months ago

This picture reminds me of the "Sniper Elite" game I played as a kid.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Okay so we are going to go with the "rhetoric from politicians and pundits causes people to do things". Cool, so then you guys with all of your rhetoric about orange hitler caused this guy to shoot trump.