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[–] frezik@midwest.social 56 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'd like to take this opportunity to highlight a recent discovery that I think should be shouted from every major news outlet. The implications are big, but they're rather technical and non obvious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1PbNTYU0GQ

In short, it turns out water evaporates much faster from to light than heat. Green light with a certain polarization hitting the water surface at a 45 degree angle seems to do best. From the research slides, the effects of polarization and angle might be small. That means green LEDs (which are cheap and very efficient, but wouldn't be polarized on their own) can evaporate lots of water. Something like 4 times the amount we would get from using the same amount of energy to heat it up. This is being called the photomolecular effect.

This fills in a big gap in our climate models. There have been measurements done on clouds that show water was evaporating much faster than theory would predict. I'm not clear on if it would make the results more pessimistic or not. My guess is that more clouds in the model increase the albedo of the Earth, thus reflecting more light back into space, and the resulting temperature should be lower. But I'll hold off on strong opinions until the models get updated.

The other big thing is desalination. Most desalination plants don't use thermal evaporation because it's too energy intensive. They use reverse osmosis. The photomolecular effect brings up the possibility of an even more efficient solution to drinking water problems.

I haven't seen academic research into this yet, but I also wonder about the implications for lithium extraction from sea water (and pretty much any other sources, really). Lithium is basically one of the salts you remove during the desalination process, so the photomolecular effect potentially makes sea water extraction cheaper. Lithium from sea water is an indefinite resource--there's more there than we would know what to do with.

Edit: actually, scratch the desalination aspects.

So thermal distillation is almost an order of magnitude behind, and the 4 fold improvement doesn't fully close that gap. In fact, it's worse than that. The multi-stage plant works by recovering heat when the distilled water is recondensed. Merely heating water to do this would take 626 kWh per m3. That's more than two orders of magnitude, and since we can't benefit from a multistage setup to recover heat when using the photomolecular effect, it's going to be a 4 fold improvement over that very high number.

Still, very big news for improving our climate models.

[–] YaksDC@lemm.ee 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If this type of basic science research interests you, in the US there is a federal agency dedicated to this pursuit; the National Science Foundation (www.nsf.gov)

95% of its annual budget goes out the door in the form of research grants to colleges, small businesses and individuals. Most of the research has no immediate application but has lead to some very exciting discoveries. The biggest in the recent past was that orange donut picture of a black hole that was everywhere. ( https://new.nsf.gov/blackholes/how-are-black-holes-studied#eht)

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 15 points 4 months ago

NSF pays my salary. They are goated with the sauce

[–] IrritableOcelot 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact, the NSF was founded after WWII to fund basic science just in case it found something with applications.

Unfortunately, the driving force behind it was the DOD, whose idea was that if even 1% of the work funded eventually became relevant to weapons research, then it would be "worth it". But hey, at least basic science got funded.

[–] YaksDC@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Now NSF funds all branches of science excluding defense and most medical. Those are DOD and NIH for the most part.

[–] IrritableOcelot 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, and in the last couple decades the NIH and NSF have become more applications-focused. If you can't show a commercial application for your basic research. It's less likely to get funded. Now, the DOD is the easiest way to get true basic research funded, which isn't ideal; only basic research which the DOD thinks is important will get funded.

[–] julianh@lemm.ee 34 points 4 months ago

Also a ton of discoveries and inventions are on accident while looking for completely different things.

[–] ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io 9 points 4 months ago

For example, carbon dating took discoveries including counting tree rings to determine a tree's age, the origins of all the radiation on Earth -- spoiler: it was the Earth itself, but also cosmic rays which was the important bit, nuclear half-lives and creating a chart of specifically useful half-lives for historical dating, the discovery of a rare isotope of carbon which can only be made by cosmic rays (carbon-14) as a near perfect clock for human timescales, how to build a sensor that can read faint carbon-14 radioactivity while filtering out all the radioactive noise from the environment, making another chart of expected radioactive readings based on geographical location including the depths of the ocean, and of course not to mention all of the archeological data used to calibrate all of the charts and devices used in the process.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 4 months ago

Ironically, most technology is the opposite. At least when you're designing and developing things, it's all individuals - you can have assistants or small teams, but institutions don't invent new things, individuals do.

I don't mean that pedantically, I mean one or two people were the driving force behind near every innovation. A company can sit those people in a room and fund them for a decade, but you have to keep them happy and leave them alone - if they leave or they're meddled with too much, you're back to square one

Big companies can't innovate (except in monetization)... It's all done by start ups now. Then they get acquired, and all progress halts

Just makes me think, in science (or academia at least) researchers are tied to their research to maintain their position, rather than their position deciding their research. It's still a pretty broken system, but between that and the incentive for open collaboration it just makes me think. If every piece of technology was open sourced, if everyone from phone manufacturers to game designers existed in a world where designs could be improved upon, where would we be now?

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago

I think OOP and I have different definitions of sexy

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You hear politicians question

I think what they meant to say was GOP.

[–] IrritableOcelot 2 points 4 months ago

This is very true! The structure of scientific revolutions is an interesting perspective on this, although it focuses on the huge leaps. It talks a lot about how incremental progress and huge leaps into new ways of understanding a science are mutually dependent.