Certainly not the U.S. citizens
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I don't know who won, but I can tell you the American public lost. :(
Feels like Biden should have coked up beforehand
maybe he did, but it was his first time and it hits real different at 81.
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It depends if you think lying is a big deal. If you don't think brazenly lying is a big deal what is wrong with you?
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Nobody.
a bonus meme for all my homies that comment:
Winnie the Pooh and his favourite sub: Putin.
It wasn't a debate in that format, it was a performance and both did poorly. Media will "rate" it like a reality TV show and reasonable people should just pass on that.
I would like to see this poll again with "no one" as an option. No one won anything at this debate. Anyone pleased by Trump's performance would have been pleased no matter what, and everyone else is horrified.
I wouldn't say Trump won the debate, or that it strengthened his position.
More the debate weakened Biden's position strictly in regards to people's view on his age and health.
Trump still said some pretty awful things. He lied plenty, but some of those awful things he took credit for, and if Biden was on his game that night, he would have in the past at least, demolished Trump. Problem being he missed those openings, and sometimes changed topics mid sentence from a strong point, to topics that people see as Biden's weak points. (like abortion -> immigration)
Biden's biggest enemy at this debate were unforced errors. Based on his performance at his rally the following day, and during past state of the unions when MTG and others are heckling him, he was clearly off his game, and I can only wonder what the debate would have been like if it was in the morning/afternoon instead of of late at night (or some other condition that got him back on his game).
It's great his performance improved so much the next day, but that won't be seen by many people. The debate was seen by millions, including many that normally wouldn't be reached. This was his opportunity, and he sort of blew it. Reaching those people in another form with the modern media environment and media consumption will be difficult.
If Biden continues to run, those who consider abortion, democracy/avoiding fascism, or freedom a top issue, will still vote for him. I will still vote for him.
If he steps down, and Gavin Newsom steps in as the democratic candidate, I'll vote for him. (granted he isn't part of the Primary, and there are pledged delegates for others, but those people have either already dropped out, or would get crushed by Trump).