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Lai Ching-te once again called on China to accept the existence of Taiwan, a self-governing democracy that is claimed by Beijing but where its courts have no jurisdiction.

Democracy is not a crime and autocracy is the real “evil,” Taiwan President Lai Ching-te said Monday after China threatened to impose the death penalty in extreme cases for “diehard” Taiwan independence separatists.

China, which views Taiwan as its own territory, has made no secret of its dislike of Lai, who took office last month, saying he is a “separatist,” and staged war games shortly after his inauguration.

On Friday, China ramped up its pressure on Taiwan by issuing new legal guidelines to punish those it says support the island’s formal independence, though Chinese courts have no jurisdiction on the democratically governed island.

Asked about China’s move at a news conference at the presidential office in Taipei, Lai first reiterated his sympathy for recent flooding in southern China before responding.

“I want to stress: Democracy is not a crime; it’s autocracy that is the real evil. China has absolutely no right to sanction Taiwan’s people just because of the positions they hold. What’s more, China has no right to go after Taiwan people’s rights across borders,” he said.

According to China, anyone who does not uphold “reunification” is therefore a Taiwan independence supporter, Lai added.

“I also want to call on China to face up to the existence of the Republic of China and have exchanges and dialogue with Taiwan’s democratically elected, legitimate government,” he said, using Taiwan’s formal name. “If this is not done, relations between Taiwan and China will only become more and more estranged.”

Taiwan said that since Thursday, there has been a sharp increase in Chinese military flights as Beijing carried out a “joint combat readiness patrol” near the island.

From Thursday to Sunday, Taiwan says it detected 115 Chinese military aircraft operating nearby, getting as close as 31 nautical miles from the southern tip of the island.

Taiwan has said that for the past four years China has carried out regular military activity around the island as part of a “gray zone” pressure campaign.

Lai rejects Beijing’s sovereignty claims and says only Taiwan’s people can decide their future. He has repeatedly offered talks with China but been rebuffed.

China says any move by Taiwan to declare formal independence would be grounds to attack the island.

The government in Taipei says Taiwan is already an independent country, the Republic of China, and that it does not plan to change that. The Republican government fled to Taiwan in 1949 after losing a civil war against Mao Zedong’s Communists.

Lai also faces domestic challenges, as his Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) lost its majority in parliament in the same election in January that brought him to power.

Speaking at the same news conference, Lai said he would ask the constitutional court to stay a package of contested parliament reforms the opposition has passed and consider whether they comply with the constitution.

The opposition says the reforms, which among other things criminalize contempt of parliament by government officials, are needed to bring more accountability, but the DPP says they were forced through without proper discussion.

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[–] eveninghere 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The opposition says the reforms, which among other things criminalize contempt of parliament by government officials, are needed to bring more accountability, but the DPP says they were forced through without proper discussion.

Checks for politicians, please. "They forced us" appeals to the sympathy, but the logical conclusion is NOT "we remove it". In short, it's a bad reasoning.

[–] jarfil 1 points 4 months ago

The conclusion seems to be "wait, let's talk this over". Sounds reasonable.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Want to see shit really hit the fan? Imagine if Taiwan applied for NATO membership. They are already recognized by most countries as an independent entity and I assume are aligned with many Western goals since they conduct joint military exercises with the US, but China would go crazy over attempts at NATO membership.

Makes me wonder if there are are any rules to prevent acceptance if a country is attacked because of asking to join? Like I know Ukraine can't join right now because they're already at war (despite whatever Russia wants to call it), but I think Taiwan is not officially at war with anyone.

[–] Lionir 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Taiwan is not recognized by most countries.

Because of the Chinese Civil War (which technically never ended), both the government of Taiwan (under the name "Republic of China") and Beijing (under the name "People's Republic of China" claim to be the 'real China'. At some point in time, most people recognized the Republic of China as the legitimate government of China, however, as the situation stagnated and the relevance of China became more important, most countries now recognize the People's Republic of China as the legitimate government of China.

As for the NATO question - no, no such rule exists and nobody would want such a rule because it is a defence pact.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Taiwan is not recognized by most countries.

Damn, they're not? I thought I had heard otherwise. That's a real shame, people should have the right to govern themselves they way they desire.

[–] jarfil 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Depends on the meaning of "recognized":

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#Full_diplomatic_relations

Only 12 countries have Taiwan embassies, but another 89 maintain "unofficial diplomatic relationships".

The UN has 193 member states, so that would make it either 6%, or 52% of the countries.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if this is a matter of countries refusing to choose a side (by not recognizing new countries), or if they ARE choosing to side with the aggressive countries?

[–] jarfil 1 points 4 months ago

Depends on what interests are linked to the sides.

In the case of Taiwan, the PRC is the main worldwide producer of cheap goods, so nobody wants to antagonize them, but at the same time many countries have interests in outsourcing and importing from Taiwan, so they end up in a "low-key recognize" situation.

In other cases... some countries have a direct strategic interest in one side, some have economic relations with one side but not the other, and others just don't care.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Its an issue with Palestine. Fortunately its beginning to change, and most countries recognize Palestine, even if the UN vote gets blocked by the US.

I imagine most countries recognize Taiwan, and just a few badies don't

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

Seems like a lot of shitty countries are trying to make land-grabs all at once, with the goal being to wipe out the existing population. I figure it's only a matter of time before China starts trying to commit genocide on Taiwan, but Russia and Israel have already jumped into that pool.