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Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to “immediately” order a cease-fire in Ukraine and start negotiations if Kyiv began withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy rejected what he called an ultimatum by Putin to surrender more territory...

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

...after the U.S. and Ukraine this week signed a 10-year security agreement that Russian officials, including Putin, denounced as “null and void.”

You can't declare something "null and void", invalid, in your legal system if it doesn't even exist in your legal system.

Like, you aren't a party to this. It's got nothing to do with you.

Unless the claim here is that it violates the US or the Ukrainian constitutions or something like that and they're talking about those systems, which I assume is not what's going on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-calls-russias-election-occupied-territories-null-void-2024-03-14/

Ukraine calls Russia's election in occupied territories null and void

See, that is meaningful. Ukraine's saying that they don't recognize the authority of the elected people as representing the people there; they aren't going to deal with them or extend them authority. Whether Ukraine recognizes the people there has some impact on its actions.

But Russia isn't going to deal with the agreement or extend it authority. There isn't any question of them recognizing it or not recognizing it.

[–] chahk 9 points 3 months ago

But Russia isn't going to deal with the agreement

I'm pretty sure Putin is gonna have to deal with it.

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[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago

Dear president Putin, We see this as a very reasonable deal. Will you join president Zelenskyj for a ceremonial signing at Oude Waalsdorperweg 10 tomorrow?

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

No negotiations with terrorists pls.

[–] The_Che_Banana 6 points 3 months ago

Pinky promise?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to “immediately” order a cease-fire in Ukraine and start negotiations if Kyiv began withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO.

Broader demands for peace that Putin listed included Ukraine’s recognition of Crimea as part of Russia, keeping the country’s nonnuclear status, restricting its military force and protecting the interests of the Russian-speaking population.

Putin’s remarks, made to a group of somber Foreign Ministry officials and some senior lawmakers, represented a rare occasion in which he clearly laid out his conditions for ending the war in Ukraine, but it didn’t include any new demands.

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry called Putin’s plan “manipulative,” “absurd” and designed to “mislead the international community, undermine diplomatic efforts aimed at achieving a just peace, and split the unity of the world majority around the goals and principles of the U.N. Charter.”

Moscow withdrew from Kyiv in March 2022 and described it a goodwill gesture as peace talks between the two began, but the pullback took place amid fierce Ukrainian resistance that significantly slowed down Russia’s battlefield advances.

Putin also claimed that in that same month, he told a foreign official he wasn’t ruling out withdrawing forces from the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions and ceding occupied parts of them back to Ukraine, as long as Kyiv allowed Russia to have a “strong land connection” to Crimea.


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[–] bradboimler@startrek.website 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The song New Kings by Sleeping Wolf reminds me of Ukraine keep up the good fight and never give up - From US Citizen.