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Internet Archive is in danger (www.battleforlibraries.com)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Moorshou@lemmy.zip to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
 

It looks like the internet archive is needed assistance, I just heard about this today and figured lemmy could help spread this message around

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[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 115 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Modern corporations are a damned plague. Most of these fuckers would destroy our whole cultural heritage in a heartbeat if it meant making a profit.

Yes, corporations exist to make profit, but come on, there are limits.

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 77 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

there are limits

I am glad you have a moral centre.

But that is the capitalist way. A Redditor once wrote: "*Corporations have no morals, no ethics, no code of conduct, no feelings, no empathy, and zero accountability. They have one goal and one goal only: to increase profits at all costs."

Case in point: the climate crisis. Corporations are literally destroying their own home for a symbol of success that, like their products, is man-made: money. It is the ultimate pursuit of vanity.

Crazy, if you think about it for a moment.

[–] jherazob 16 points 3 months ago

The AI techbros wanna scare you with tales of AI becoming sentient and going rogue to destroy us all, when corporations, mindless machines made out of people to maximize profits at all cost, are already doing all that

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. The monsters gnawing away at nature, public infrastructure, your friends? They are called corporations.
Btw, megacorps have multiple faces and are especially hungry.

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Europe is voting this weekend. If you care about copyright reform, you should consider voting for the European Pirate Party. IA is probably in the wrong here, legally. But many would argue it's morally right to have free access to information. Sure, shadow libraries are popping up everywhere and we have access to more information than ever before, but if we really want access for everyone, we need different copyright laws, and for that we need politicians.

[–] dko1905@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sadly in countries without a pirate party, like Denmark, you can't (as far as I know) vote for the EP pirate party.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Does voting for a party like that even help anything? I'm asking because my voting experience is US, and everyone knows how many parties matter here. So I'm curious.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It does a bit, since every party will be represented in the European council based on the number of votes they have. It's not an election where the winner takes all.

I think the pirates had one or two representatives in the council, which is enough to start debates and make proposals. They obviously can't push anything through by themselves.

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[–] IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. In most European countries even small parties can get seats. In my country there are 8 parties in parliament, for example, and 2 of them didn't use to be there 2 election cycles ago (they were too small/new 8 years ago but eventually grew in popularity and got enough votes for representation).

Of course if they only have 1 or 2 members in parliament they typcily tend to form coalitions with other like-minded parties so they can get more voting power.

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[–] EmilieEvans@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

For Germean voters there is the WahloMat to help with the voting choice (a dozen of questions and in the end shows how much overlap there is with all the parties): https://www.wahl-o-mat.de/europawahl2024/app/main_app.html

The major issue is that if you care about CopyRight: Party A. Easier to comply with regulation: Party B. Migration: Party C. Environment: Party D.

And all of the choices (A-D) have some very removed, prominent positions that you strongly oppose and in the end, have no clue what to elect and choose the least worst option and hope for the best.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 38 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Everyone that wants context should read this: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-internet-archives-last-ditch

Listen, I love the IA and everything they stand for, but they're not winning this. They fucked up and gave away copyrighted content, for free, in unlimited amounts during covid. They then proceed to melt down in court because they know it's impossible to win. Now they're seeking empathy from everyone and not talking about why they got sued - which is giving away potentially millions of copies of other people's work...

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 48 points 3 months ago

And everyone that wants unbiased context should read the wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive

The judgment basically completely ignored IA's arguments towards fair use. EFF filed an amicus brief that explains how baseless the judgment was. Assuming the entire US court system isn't in the corporate pocket yet they will win this on appeal.

It's ridiculous to assume that an organization whose main purpose is data archival would knowingly and blatantly ignore copyright law. IA didn't ignore it, they did they homework and saw that their use qualified as fair use. Then they met a judge who doesn't give a shit about that. Nobody can prepare for that in advance.

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[–] Scrubber0777@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Would you care the elaborate more?

[–] Moorshou@lemmy.zip 70 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

The nonprofit Internet Archive is appealing a judgment that threatens the future of all libraries. Big publishers are suing to cut off libraries’ ownership and control of digital books, opening new paths for digital book bans and dangerous surveillance.

Join 28,000+ signers on the petition below to show your support for the Internet Archive, libraries’ digital rights, and an open internet with safe, uncensored access to knowledge.

Battleforlibraries

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lol, a petition won't stop this unless it's a petition to bribe the judge. The US is owned by corporations.

[–] cybersin@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but it is still better than doing nothing.

[–] Steve@communick.news 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

It feels better than doing nothing.
If you can convince yourself you're not doing nothing.
I've never been that good a liar.

[–] cybersin@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

I don't know.

I still think there's at least some value, even if the only thing it accomplishes is getting people to talk about it. Many people have never even heard of The Internet Archive.

Either way, there isn't really a reason not to.

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[–] Moorshou@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

C'mon it's at least worth a shot. To me at least.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not even a question of being "owned by corporations". Judges don't care about petitions. They're not politicians, their job is to adjudicate the law.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In theory. In the US, at least (I don't know about other countries), some judge positions are voted in, In that sense, they most certainly are politicians.

On top of that, HAVE YOU SEEN OUR SUPREME COURT. THAT SHIT'S THE HALLMARK CHANNEL OF "OWNED BY OTHER ENTITIES", be it actual politicians (Trump) or CEOs (also Trump), many of whom ARE both executives and politicans (again, not only Trump, but also a number of other reps & senators).

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 24 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Except it's not a threat to the future of all libraries, it's a threat to the future of "libraries" that decide to completely ignore copyright and give out an unlimited number of copies of ebooks. Basically turning themselves into book-focused piracy sites.

I'm incredibly frustrated with Internet Archive for bringing this on themselves. It is not their mandate to fight copyright, that's something better left in the hands of activist organizations like the EFF. The Internet Archive's mandate is to archive the Internet, to store and preserve knowledge. Distributing it is secondary to that goal. And picking unnecessary fights with big publishing houses like this is directly contrary to that goal, since now the Internet Archive is in danger.

It's like they're carrying around a precious baby and they decided it was a good idea to start whacking a bear with a stick. Now the bear is eating their leg and they're screaming "oh my god help me, the bear is threatening this baby!" Well yeah, but you shouldn't have brought a baby with you when you went on a bear-whacking expedition. You should have known exactly what that bear was going to do.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago

Exactly. I hate fucking everything about this. I love the internet archive and ^nearly^ all they do.

In principal I love their "covid-19 emergency library" or whatever they called it. In practice? They absolutely know better than to pull stunts and I'm terrified that this will spell the end for one of the greatest knowledge and media resources of the modern age. For shit that was effectively already available to the public through ebook piracy sites.

They already operated on shaky ground, hosting downloads for a metric ton of shit that is unquestionably still under copyright (despite their claims to only be archival of things that are not), skating by on technicalities and by not drawing too much attention to themselves.

Plus, there were so fucking many better ways to do the "free digital library" thing without jeapordizing themselves.

  • Have some volunteers "misuse resources": load an SSD up with the book files, "borrow" some compute power to decrypt/remove drm, pass batches off to existing ebook "dumping" groups to stagger releases and obsfucate the true source. This would ensure that any material they had which was not already available on the high seas would get there.
  • Make a big red banner on the site to a blog post with the generic "While we would never condone piracy or copyright infringement, we understand that times are extremely hard right now [blah blah] here are some links to community guides on how to access learning literature (pirate ebooks) during these trying times [blah blah] Please abide by your local laws."
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

You summed it up exactly. As one politician put it, the Internet Archive does not decide copyright. They have became to big for there own shoes.

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[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 3 months ago

They did not ignore copyright. The judge brazenly and incorrectly dismissed all their arguments for fair use. They had no way to foresee they would meet a judge that would go that far.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Fuck.

I really hope someone gets hold of the data and shares it on p2p or otherwise. If all this data is deleted it would be equivalent to nuking pyramids or burning Picasso paintings.

[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly, I'd say it would be much much worse than your examples. It would be erasing parts of history itself.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fuck yes, we need to get our hands on this stuff for fucks sake. I have shit there I don’t even know I need yet

Can someone fucking near get their ass there and do a legendary copy paste operation on a massive scale

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Exactly. Losing Internet and digital history would create another dark ages for future historians. Everything we've done would just be gone.

If I had more money than humanly usable I would create a project that transcribes wikipedia or whatever onto stone/metal plates so it's not forgotten.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago

Good luck, every day more than 1PB is uploaded to IA.

[–] drwho 6 points 3 months ago

That's one of the reasons why uploads to the Archive have torrents.

Now if they'd just fix the damn tracker..

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago

Made me look for internet archive merch and found they actually do have a store for it

https://store.archive.org/

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

ill mention this in every thread about them:

run the archive team warrior if you can. it helps them archive black boxes like telegram, discord, reddit...

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[–] ironsoap@lemmy.one 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Moorshou@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

This one pertains to the lawsuits.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There's no link. Down voted.

Update: OP updated the post to include a link. Up voted.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Seriously no one cares if you downvote or upvote stuff. Get lost with your inept attempt at manipulation

Yeah and I was supposed to stay calm and cute this whole week see what you have done with your shitty comment?

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I was asking others to downvote low effort content to improve the quality of the content on the platform for others.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They made a really dumb move and now have to pay for it. I understand their importance but it doesn't seem like they do - or they are naive enough to believe corpos have good will.

They broke law in such a dumb way, and it's a pity they put their entire project in jeopardy. My only thought while deciding to donate is "what will prevent them from doing something this dumb again?"

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is this suppost to be a link

[–] Moorshou@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I was trying to link to Battleforlibraries but I failed, it's my first lemmy post

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[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago

Just sent them a couple of bucks. Wish I could give more but the conversion rate on my currency is atrocious lol 🫠

[–] pkill@programming.dev 6 points 3 months ago

not enough AI features! /s

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