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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 86 points 5 months ago (11 children)

lack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.

the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are ...happy... asking ~~apple~~ microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.

[–] testman@lemmy.ml 82 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 25 points 5 months ago

"Our Computer"

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's a real shame. I guess I'll be running Linux now.

[–] Onihikage 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I switched to Bazzite not long after the Recall AI announcement, shrinking my Windows partition to leave it for just VR stuff which currently doesn't work well outside of Windows, at least on my system. It's pretty great! Not perfect, but the problems I have on Bazzite are similar enough in quantity and degree to problems I had on Windows that I've basically switched out one set of weird OS quirks for another. The big difference is now I don't have to think about the OS being disrespectful corporate spyware.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That seems like a solid OS. It's there an Ubuntu based variant?

[–] Onihikage 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Not that I know of; Bazzite is completely based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, which are an immutable type of distro that makes the core OS a read-only image that all gets updated separately from system apps. The Ubuntu equivalent of Fedora Atomic Desktops is Ubuntu Core, but I don't know if Bazzite has a Ubuntu Core-based equivalent. Bazzite is released by a group called Universal Blue, which makes prepackaged OS builds based on Fedora Atomic Desktops, with particular focus areas. Bazzite focuses on including all gaming-related tweaks, apps, configs, and optimizations out of the box, Aurora focuses on general desktop PC functionality, and Bluefin focuses on productivity, but in the end they're all Atomic/Immutable distros based on Fedora. It's worth poking through it all and picking one that best suits your needs.

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Same here. I'll pirate the security updates for the next 3 years and then switch. Fuck Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft.

[–] exscape@kbin.social 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You can still block it easily with the command prompt (Shift+F10 during the install) as mentioned. But don't let that stop you from switching to Linux if you feel like it.

[–] chahk 2 points 5 months ago

Didn't they block the Shift-F10 workaround in 24H2?

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Apple doesn't require you to make an Apple ID to use a Mac lol

[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 months ago

But apparently you DO need an Apple ID to access an Apple Notes file that was shared to your Android by your crazy ex who doesn't know that without an iPhone you won't be able to read their undoubtedly unhinged, rambling guilt trip. Thanks Apple!

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[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 3 points 5 months ago

The Cask of Amontillado?

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We would have that freedom with Android too if those stupid banking apps stopped trying to dictate what you can run on your hardware & Google giving them more features to do so.

[–] xilona@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

This☝️person knows what we are talking about!

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[–] robsuto@lemmy.ml 47 points 5 months ago

Fuck Microsoft

[–] Scary_le_Poo 30 points 5 months ago (3 children)

On a new install, before powering up, make sure you don't start it up with Ethernet plugged in, when you get to the Wi-Fi connection stage hit Ctrl+f10

Type in

oobe\bypassnro

And press enter. The computer will restart and now when you get to the Wi-Fi connection screen you'll have a like that says "I don't have internet".

[–] magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] Scary_le_Poo 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If only that option were realistic

[–] magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

How is it not? I went from a diehard Windows power user to someone who hasn't looked back since 2019

[–] Olifant@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

It's not a simple one to one. Everyone's use case and experience is different. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in on the FOSS train and I don't approve of Microsoft's direction with Windows but it's still a consistently hassle-free experience compared to Linux for people who just don't wanna deal with distros, terminals, repositories or compatibility layers.

[–] xilona@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

Well done mate! You are not alone!

[–] ThePac@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If all games start supporting Linux I will.

[–] magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Apart from a few outliers, gaming is painless on Linux thanks to Valves Proton & friends.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

Always online with kernel-level anti-cheat has a tendency to not work, but that is probably a red flag since there are thousands of different games you can play that don’t snoop around ring-0

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If I can control my fans and my GPU in Linux the way I can in Windows I will.

[–] magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Will need more info then I can recommend some software

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[–] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Wouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?

If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.

[–] SecureTaco@lemmy.asc6.org 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Funny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.

[–] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 months ago

If I understand correctly from the article, you have to enter ‘OOBE\BYPASSNRO’ in command prompt during installation to prevent it from asking to connect to internet. If that’s the only way to set up a local account, that’s hardly an accessible option.

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 7 points 5 months ago

It was not an option one week ago when i tested it. Maybe because I was in WiFi range and Microsoft assumed you have to know the password to at least one of them to pass the wifi screen. No skip button. But could create a new account as unverified using gmail address.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 24 points 5 months ago

That dude who predicted Windows 12 being a cloud OS was probably dead on the money.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] chris@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

I’m assuming one would still be able to switch to a local account after installation, but you really shouldn’t need to. What a shit show.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Hm. So are we all the way there to Win 11 not being installable in fully offline machines, or...? Because niche as that application is, it does sound like the start of a use case for a natively compatible Windows alternative from a third party (say, a FreeWin to go with FreeDOS). I know there are or have been some attempts, but... yeah, long term that seems like it would prompt more focus on something like that.

I suppose it's more likely that compatibility layers in other OSs would get there first and more practically, but still. Maybe it's time to move Windows applications from an ecosystem to a standard.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 points 5 months ago

The year of the ReactOS desktop?

On a serious note, I suspect the IOT version doesn't have this requirement.

[–] darvit@lemmy.darvit.nl 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Linux with wine/proton already works pretty good for running Windows programs and games outside of Windows.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 5 months ago

In games its on par except a couple niche situations with rootkits and other anti user solutions afaik.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

FreeWin

ReactOS has been around for a while but still in development and not production ready

[–] bilb@lem.monster 2 points 5 months ago

Almost 30 years and still basically useless.

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[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Luckily m$ didn't block option to install Linux by permanently enable secure boot and lock bootloader right?

[–] rcbrk@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i mean you don't need a workaround when they put this option right there when you click add account.

[–] ReversalHatchery 3 points 5 months ago

That screenshot does not seem like to be taken from an os installer, both because of the window header with the close button, and the already custimized accent color.

[–] deFrisselle@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago

#RUNBSD it is then

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