Not my original content, but something I stand by
I know it's a joke, but why would a shapeshifter 350 years into the future on a planet 50 lightyears away be guilty of any of the same prejudices that our local cops are?
this post was submitted on 02 Jun 2024
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Odo what he did during the Cardassian occupation of Bajor.
The A in ACAB stands for "ALL." Even to 350 year old shapeshifters in a totally different part of the galaxy, hundreds of years from now.
And I mean, just look at his record from the Occupation. He did some fucked up shit.
If you actually watched the episodes you'd know that a) he didn't do fucked up shit, he made a mistake and b) he actually cared about justice and c) he not only knew about the mistake, it was eating him up inside.
"No cops at pride" is not about the prejudices of individual cops, be they fictional future shapeshifters from half a galaxy away, or real police here and now. There are LGBTQ+ cops out there.
The issue is the fact that cops enforce the law regardless of how just the law might be. Odo was the chief of security aboard Terek Nor while it was under Cardassian control, and while in that role rushed three innocent Bajoran workers to execution so he could maintain order aboard the station.
Even once the station became Bajoran owned and Starfleet operated, Odo was still willing to conduct illegal surveillance, lock people in the detention facility on trumped up charges, and impose a strict curfew. Personally I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to assume that Odo would be willing to lock up people participating in a Pride event for no other reason than that he was told to do so, and they were causing a minor disruption on the Promenade.
pssh some people have no respect for tradition
Because when he was learning to live among humanoids, the rule of law provided a form of structure he could understand, and Odo has yet to surpass the cognitive development milestone of a 12 year old.
Why no cops?
In the US cops:
- Take trans kids away from supportive parents in states with laws against that
- Selectively target LGBT people for unequal enforcement of often unconstitutional laws (ex: obscenity laws)
- Disproportionately use force against trans people (more than 1/4th according to the ACLU).
Imagine how much it would fuck you up if a cop kicked you around, threw you in lockup with the wrong gender, and then you see the shit stain getting paid to be at Pride.
And just being there, getting paid to do nothing is the best you can hope for. Plenty of times they just watch bigots harass or attack the people at Pride and either do nothing or arrest the victims.
Cops who want to come to Pride out of uniform on their own time because they’re LGBT+ or whatever, most people don’t care about that.
More importantly, Pride itself a reference to the Stonewall Riots, in which cops brutally assaulted LGBTQ+ citizens with great malice and the citizens fought back.
June 28th, 1969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
The first Pride Parade was a year later, on June 27th, 1970
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_parade#First_pride_marches
The reason cops shouldn't be allowed at Pride is because cops violence against the LGBTQ+ community is why Pride fucking exists to begin with.
One of my friends from a local theater group I did some musicals with had a brick pin they wear to every pride event they attend.
It's my favorite pin ever.
Damn... US cops are really just the worst most of the time.
Yeah, Germany would never do that.
I'm gonna get eviscerated for saying this, but take what you hear here with a grain of salt.
Lemmy doesn't exactly reflect the experience of the average American.
It’s a bit of a general issue. The police in itself is good, however… it’s a job that puts people into a position of power. Power corrupts, and if you factor in that they’re not well paid (because tanks and so on are better ways to spend a budget…) but are supposed to put their lives on the line, then get treated either like the enemy or the “thin blue line” I see how things can go bad. Being a public service, they’re managed by the government and sent to deal with trouble accordingly, and the definition of trouble varies with whoever is at the top. Sprinkle in some dangerous levels of nationalism, the US being a super power and you most certainly get to hear about their unrest, while the stuff going on in your own country might be less flashy.
A small trivia bit that you might or might not know: at the beginning there was this organization that was created to protect the people from abuses by local lords. Everyone knows what an unholy shitfest that got corrupted into, given that I’m talking about the mafia…
Police are not a net good when they are used instead of taking care of basic human needs. Police enforce eviction but never kneecap a housing scalper... I mean landlord.
Shower grade thought: whatever protest or manifestation proud boys might do, with firearms in plain view, nobody is going to even notice. Pride, BLM or similar if there’s guns for actual self defense rather than intimidation? How big of a bloodbath would it to turn into?
@Catoblepas @DmMacniel "grips"?
Congrats on seeing the autocorrect typo in the 10 seconds it took me to edit it out ;p Assuming it federated out properly anyway
Thanks for adding that "in the US" bit because not all countries have shit for brain police
Because they almost always act like pricks and they've got a rich history of oppressing and harrassing LGBTI people. That's why.
Because the police enforce the laws of the state, often with violence. If the law dictates that a person being open about their identity is illegal regardless of the fact their identity harms no one, and everyone involved in their actions consents, than it is the responsibility of the cops to oppress them. One year the cops might march alongside people at pride, and then the laws might change and they'll be there to bust heads of anyone who shows up the next year.
And yeah, there no doubt exist LGBTQ+ cops, or cops whose friends and/or family whom they love are LGBTQ+, but so long as they wear the uniform they represent an organization used to oppress marginalized and minority communities.
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
Rainbow parades or Rainbow bricks.
Ain't no one going to let Stonewall happen again without a fight.
That rainbow brick goes hard
Damn I'd love one of those
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
And people often tend to say "but why do they need the parade if we let them be?" Because otherwise it'll be a couple of years before someone will start lynchings.
I just hope the society will sometimes be free of fear for everyone
What's with these "no cops at Pride" comics?
It’s Pride Month.
But that's not the part I'm asking about.
People don't want cops at pride events.
Then be specific.
Don't be obtuse.
I'm genuinely not. Say what you mean, champ.
I'm obviously asking why no cops. I don't believe you didn't understand that. But clearly, you're not willing to discuss it, so I'll withdraw the question.
Ah, well that question has been answered by others and myself elsewhere in this thread. Sorry for assuming that you might have checked to see if your question was already answered before asking it.
But hey, just for you, I'll repost what I've already said:
Because the police enforce the laws of the state, often with violence. If the law dictates that a person being open about their identity is illegal regardless of the fact their identity harms no one, and everyone involved in their actions consents, than it is the responsibility of the cops to oppress them. One year the cops might march alongside people at pride, and then the laws might change and they’ll be there to bust heads of anyone who shows up the next year.
And yeah, there no doubt exist LGBTQ+ cops, or cops whose friends and/or family whom they love are LGBTQ+, but so long as they wear the uniform they represent an organization used to oppress marginalized and minority communities.
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
That utterly misses the point of Pride. It's not about revenge, it's about reconciliation. It's not about hatred, it's about love. It's not about divisiveness, it's about coming together. It's a good thing that police, etc. want to be in our parades. Excluding them actively harms the progress LGBT+ people have made since Stonewall.
Queer folk don't owe their oppressors space, especially, whilst their oppressors are still actively targeting them.
Who said anything about revenge?
Oh, FFS. Never mind.
So not even gender fluid cops like Odo?
To be fair, I think he's just regular fluid
Odo definitely identifies as male.
And yes.