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LoglineSeries Finale. Trapped inside a mysterious alien portal that defies familiar rules of time, space, and gravity, Captain Burnham must fight Moll – and the environment itself – in order to locate the Progenitors’ technology and secure it for the Federation. Meanwhile, Book puts himself in harm’s way to help Burnham survive and Rayner leads the U.S.S. Discovery in an epic winner-takes-all battle against Breen forces.

Written by: Kyle Jarrow & Michelle Paradise

Directed by: Olatunde Osunsanmi

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[–] HobbesHK@startrek.website 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As a show with so much promise, I often felt Disco reached for big concepts but never quite managed to get there. It would get bogged down with pathos and dragged out plot lines. Unfortunately, season 5 felt no different. This episode dragged on and on for me. Mol and L’ak had mostly become irrelevant and were completely unnecessary in this episode.

I get the series got axed and additional scenes were shot to round things out. But that random “we’re all hugging” scene? It was weird. And didn’t the actress who played Detmer say their absence was planned and revealing anything would be a big spoiler or something? Well. No, it really wasn’t.

Kovitsch was Daniels? I think at that point of the story, he could’ve been anyone and it wouldn’t have landed. He could’ve been Sloane (not dead after all!) and it would’ve made as much sense and be just as meaningful to the story.

The progenitor plot? With a tick list of “clues” and “challenges” to lead the way, but ultimately we decide your worthiness to reshape the universe as we know it with a geometry puzzle? I can’t even.

Discovery had potential, back in the day, but disappointed year on year. I had hoped this final season would offer redemption, but alas. Decent bunch of actors, but with subpar writing that usually went nowhere coherent. I won’t miss it. Glad it’s done. I hope Paramount learnt some valuable lessons from this and moves things on.

[–] tedu@azorius.net 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Should have gone with Barclay as Kovitch.

[–] HobbesHK@startrek.website 7 points 5 months ago

Hah, yes! Or O’Brien, the most important Starfleet officer in history!

[–] skfsh@startrek.website 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I had placed a huge bet on Owo and Detmer warping the ISS Enterprise in at the last minute to save everyone's bacon, and now I'm homeless

[–] ritos@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Adam Pranica is that you???

[–] Jaccident@startrek.website 1 points 5 months ago

I lost so much money in that too.

[–] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

To just intentionally abandon a sentient ship in the void for an unknowable amount of time is incredibly cruel. Solitary confinement is torture.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I think that makes certain assumptions about how Zora engages with the world, which may or may not be correct. I'd really like to rewatch "Calypso" as it's been ages, but Paramount+ seems to have...misplaced the Short Treks in my country.

[–] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The whole reason they came to the future was that Discovery's computer couldn't be disabled or removed after merging with the Sphere data and becoming Zora. So (she?) is always online and conscious. She spent almost a thousand years alone before Craft's arrival. At the time, I could have accepted some disaster that forced the crew to evacuate (or killed them all) and Discovery became lost, with a final order to hold position. But for Starfleet to intentionally put the ship (from which Zora cannot be separated) in deep space and abandon it, I cannot interpret as anything except cruelty.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Whoops, fixed a typo in my comment.

What I'm trying to say is, I don't think it can be called cruelty if Zora, in her capacity as an artificial intelligence, doesn't mind. It may not be accurate to assume she will react in the way a human would.

[–] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Clearly, adherence to duty is important to Zora. She was ordered to remain in position and so she did. Nothing indicates that she didn't mind, only that her sense of duty outweighed whatever her feelings were. I read her interactions with Craft as belying incredible loneliness.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At this point, you're just describing a Starfleet officer.

[–] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ultimately, Zora's feelings are beside the point. Starfleet condemned a sentient being to (at least) a thousand years of loneliness. We do not see them consult Zora about her feelings on the assignment. She is simply ordered to do it. She is given no conditions on which the order terminates. She might still be there, still alone, a million years after Craft's departure. That's why it's cruel. It's cruel to give such an order. And, as a further twist of the knife, the instrument of that cruelty was Michael Burnham, ostensibly Zora's friend. "We had a good ride, but I'm old now and Starfleet just doesn't need you anymore. Rather than give you freedom to go and do you please, we'll order you to stay in this place indefinitely, alone."

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 5 months ago

Zora's already demonstrated the capacity to disobey an order if she wants to.

So we don't know if Zora's being "tortured" from her perspective, and we have pretty solid evidence that she could just leave if she wants to.

[–] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago

I couldn't locate this specific one on Amazon or Paramount, but fortunately i had a local copy :D

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago

Where are you getting that from? There is no evidence that Zora thought they were about to be tortured.

Discovery has always been a mixed bag for me.

I was fine with their changes to the Klingons, but disliked the emphasis of action.

I liked Pike and Spock (an Strange new Worlds), bit disliked the final battle with a million ships/drones.

I liked the jump into the future, but disliked the reason and resolution of the Burn.

I liked the threat of the DMA and its consequences, but the interpersonal relationships of the crew lost their appeal to me.

Season 5 was one of the weakest for me.

The Breen and the new XO two positives for me.

The crew, the Progenitor Tech and the search for it were all boring for me. Especially the established characters are more annoying than interesting to me.

Mol and L'ak ruined the season for me, more specifically Mol. A cross between a tantrum-having toddler and rebellious teenager, she added nothing to the plot. Her random connection to Book was blatantly manufactured and added nothing.

I actively had to stop myself from skipping scenes with her. I was close to just stop watching this season, since the rest wasn't too compelling either. I really dislike when antagonist keep sticking around, because the heroes try saving them (from themselves). It's okay to let a horrible person bleed to death, Michael.

I'm glad it's over. It could have been better, but also worse. I think this season showed it was a good decision to end it now.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 8 points 5 months ago

As far as season finales go, I think this was their best one to date. The action was split pretty nicely between the chaotic events on the bridge, Saru's mission, and Burnham and Moll inside the portal. I thought the thoroughline of the clues left by the science team came together quite nicely, as well - there was a good amount of emphasis on how concerned the scientists had been about exactly who was going to find this thing. Burnham's ultimate decision to chuck the whole thing into the black hole caught me by surprise, but seemed pretty well-reasoned.

As far as series finale's go...I think they did pretty well with what they had. The several-decade time jump often works really well to cause some self-reflection, and it was nice to see an Admiral Burnham who was so settled down. And hey, we got our "Calypso" tie-in that managed to answer very few questions, but at least they closed that circle.

It really does feel like the end of an era. This show kickstarted the barrage of Trek we've (hopefully, mostly) enjoyed over these past few years. Of all the series that have followed it, Discovery has consistently been the one I've looked forward to watching the most, as it's been the most willing to surprise and challenge me along the way. It's been, as they say, a long road.

[–] Stormygeddon@startrek.website 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Those red leaved trees are known to produce a lot of sap. Watch out as it can stick to you.

Anyway, I expected more of a "Be careful what you wish for" resolution with L'ak, but they just told Mol what would happen instead of actually doing it / creating a copy with no memories. I was disappointed with that.

I'm also kind of disappointed that Vulcans are so often seen kissing instead of doing the finger thing.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 5 points 5 months ago

I wonder if they cut down the Moll resolution a bit to make room for the series wrap up. It did feel a bit abrupt.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 5 months ago

It would have been interesting to see Walking Dead L'ak, but it was also kind of nice to see Moll accept the situation and start to trust Burnham.

[–] End0fLine@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am going to miss this show. My barometer for trek finales is Endgame and I would say I liked this one much better.

The inside of the device was beautiful. I guess we will never find out where it actually came from, but I enjoyed what we did get

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 8 points 5 months ago

I guess we will never find out where it actually came from

This was something that caught me off-guard, but the more I think about it, the more appropriate it seems. Some things are just unknowable.

[–] dethstrobe@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That was an ending alright. I feel like the epilogue was nice, with no killing of a main character for no reason (looking at you ENT) and everyone got a pretty happy ending. And Calypso at least is canon, but it'd have been nice to have more context on what the end game is.

But my problem is that the emotional pay off just doesn't feel deserved. I really just don't feel connected with the characters and crew enough. I really feel like more episodes (or a lot more) to really flesh things out would have helped a lot.

But you know what I think I might actually like. A movie. I feel like tightening up the epic galaxy ending plot in a 90 to 120 minute feature film would feel better then a 10 ep season. I doubt we'll get one, but it'd be nice to see what kind of nonsense Burnham gets in to since they end it on a pseudo cliff hanger (as is DISCO tradition).

But what was up with Detmer and Owo being side lined for the second half of the season. I was expecting some kind of pay off for that, but nothing... It seemed unnecessary.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It looks like they're doing a better job of retaining props from shows once they've wrapped, so maybe there's a chance they'll put the sets in storage in case they decide to use them again - either in a movie (the rumour is/was that they want to do a streaming movie every two years), or for the occasional guest appearance on the Academy show.

But what was up with Detmer and Owo being side lined for the second half of the season.

Michelle Paradise said yesterday that both actors were unavailable during filming, having booked other projects.

[–] dethstrobe@startrek.website 3 points 5 months ago

Nice to know the rumor mill has a possible streaming movie in the works.

And it makes sense that Detmer and Owo had external factors causing them to not play a big role. Disappointing still, but reasonable.

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[–] stuck@startrek.website 3 points 5 months ago

The portal interiors sure had a Spy Kids 3-D vibe about them.

[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Back-zips are back in style! Farewell Star Trek soundstage, I will never not see you!