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[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 74 points 5 months ago

Hm, 5 year old journal, with the editor board, funding and half of the authors all from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but significant hospital contribution. I remain skeptical of the headline but hopeful of the science.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

'Further studies are needed for validation.' Understatement of the year

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 months ago

I'm hopeful but wary. Medical science keeps being the one thing left in this world that consistently makes me happy to be alive in modern times. This would be a great breakthrough.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Type 2, since the article doesn't say.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 months ago

Important to know. Reading on how it works on the article, I wonder if it could be used for type 1, likely in combination with some kind of drug therapy to prevent the body from just killing the new islet cells.

[–] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

New trade restrictions coming soon on Chinese pharmaceuticals.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 months ago

True. How could it be a free market if corporations are not allowed to form a cartel and agree on a price for a product that is literally vital for many people?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Curing diabetes is not in the shareholders' best interests.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago

Does this logic apply in China?

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It’s sad to see USA so shackled by pure capitalism that it starts to lose its scientific edge left and right while drooling libs jerk off to the big pharma freedom of unrestrained gains. Still believing they have a chance for a piece from the cake if only they squeeze their cheeks a little harder.

[–] DarthYoshiBoy@kbin.social 16 points 5 months ago

So this is neat. Potentially life changing for some type 2 diabetics, but that depends because some t2 diabetics are not failing to make enough insulin, they're just no longer sensitive to it at a level that makes it functional for them. I suppose it's possible that this therapy could cause them to grow enough islet β cells to overcome their lack of sensitivity, but (and I'm a type 1, not a type 2, so maybe my info is incorrect here) that lack of sensitivity can grow with further exposure to insulin making this a stop-gap at best for those cases absent other therapies.

...and with all of that said, being able to regrow islet β cells has never really been the problem for type 1 diabetes. You can regrow all the islet β cells you'd like and it's not going to cure the underlying immune disease that has caused your immune system to kill off all of your islet β cells to begin with. Unless you can figure out why t1 diabetes causes one's own immune system to go psycho killer on their islet β cells, you've done nothing to "cure" diabetes. Without being able to suppress that impulse for your immune system to murder your own cells, any ability to replace the islet β cells is going to be temporary at best, and probably a waste on the whole.

My brother in law is a "cured" type 1 diabetic, by virtue of his having had a kidney replacement and being on immune suppressing drugs for that. Since they were already replacing the kidney and he was going to have to take immune system suppression medications for that, they also just replaced his pancreas at the same time and the suppression of his immune system has allowed the new pancreas to thrive and continue to make insulin. Easy-peasy. The only trade-off is that he is super immunocompromised and can be killed by common colds, so not a great strategy in general.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

presses X to Doubt

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago

Remember, it was the Chinese labs that also reproduced the room temperature super conductor experiment a few years ago and also found their own material…and then it all turns out to be complete bullshit.

One patient doesn’t mean anything. It’s great if it’s real (having worked directly with China for engineering, I have zero faith this is even a real thing) but there is a lot of reason to doubt at this point.

[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I do hope that the science is true, but the website doesn't seem to be credible when it comes to news reporting https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 13 points 5 months ago

Destroy corporate healthcare by curing diabetes.

[–] joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 5 months ago

idk sounds a bit sus

[–] tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago

Oh crap! If this is true then avoid spending a ton of money in insulin supplies each year could give an actual reason to politicians for reducing the healthcare state budget, which they normally do at every occasion just without a proper explanation... I don't know if my mind is ready for rationality in politics /s

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] sour@feddit.de 12 points 5 months ago

Imagine using dailymail as a reason for why news are factual.

[–] taanegl 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Here is a thread of whiney redditors who just discovered the fediverse. Enjoy.

"Hurpa durpa durp, unserious joke about the Chinese wanting to kill Americans, but they create a vaccine for one of the deadliest diseases in the US hurpa durpa duhr"... now take it completely and utterly seriously. GO!

[–] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Type I diabetes has absolutely nothing to do with weight, it's a disorder of the pancreas that's mostly genetic. The rates of all forms of diabetes taken together in China and the US are almost the same. I'm sorry if this science flew over your head yo

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Its worse the that. Many think now it is reversed. As T2 is a resistance to insulin. And without insulin you cannot gain energy from your diet. It is now commonly accepted that those prown to t2 diabetes are often forced to eat due to the body gaining less energy from food.

So being genetically prown to to can lead to weight gain prior to diagnosis. Rather then weight gain leading to to t2d.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

I don't want to say my experience is that of everyone, but I recently was diagnosed with T2D when I gained weight due to COVID-19 interrupting my exercise routine. Dropping weight has brought my A1C levels back in line in the past, then when I gained back some my A1C levels went back up. I'm not particularly prone to weight gain, but getting much into the overweight range kicked me into a diabetic A1C range. My father has similar characteristics, with even a health weight and diet leaving him with pre-diabetic A1C levels. But then in contrast, my mother and her mother were obese for decades without a smidge of diabetes. Lots of genetics going on there.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

EDIT: dunno why, but because Beehaw, I can't actually see the comment below. So I'll answer here...

Beehaw defederated from a lot of the bigger instances because someone hurt their feelings or whatever. So now you miss out on the majority of lemmy content including comments. I would suggest creating an account with a different instance so that you can experience the entirety of the community.

[–] apotheotic 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Beehaw has defederated from instances they felt were not meeting a minimum standard of moderation and healthy, good faith discussion. Beehaw's whole shtick is to maintain a platform where its users can be(e) kind and expect others to behave similarly.

It is genuinely baffling to me how people can see beehaw curating their instance this way and go "feewings" and "beehaw bad".

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If people want to be part of a limited community that's fine and well. The issue I have is that a lot of people joining lemmy don't know what beehaw is about and join it just because it's a name they've maybe heard of. Then they're completely unimpressed by lemmy, not knowing they're only part of a fraction of the federation. Next thing they're back on reddit or whereever.

Also, as someone with access to the majority of lemmy instances, I've only ran into maybe a handful of assholes on here. I'm really not sure what beehaw is trying to shelter it's users from. It's easy enough to block someone on the rare occasion.

[–] apotheotic 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its incredibly difficult to join beehaw without knowing what its about. When you apply to join they explain what it is and ensure that you're actually, like, on board with the mission. I can understand the sentiment of users finding themselves underwhelmed and leaving if they don't understand why.

As someone with accounts on other instances, I've definitely encountered far more bigotry and bad faith arguments off-beehaw than on-beehaw. For some people, which would appear to include you, encountering the asshole and blocking and moving on is sufficient, and that's fine and awesome for them. But for others who may be part of marginalised communities or particularly vulnerable, the bubble of safety and curation that beehaw offers is so tremendously valuable.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

Ok, sounds like they've made it a lot more clear since the reddit exodos which is the last time I've had any interaction with beehaw. That's good then.

[–] Crumbgrabber@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Side effects include a craving for crumbs.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago

You stay away from my crumbs, crumb grabber.

[–] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

Maybe I will eat that quart of ice cream today...