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I have been daily driving Linux for over two years now and I have switched distros many times. So, when my friend bought a new laptop, I convinced him to install Linux Mint on it. I asked him if he wanted to dual boot, he said no because it would fill up all his storage. We installed Linux Mint. The other day, he wanted to play FIFA 17 on his computer. After 5 whole hours of troubleshooting we were able to get FIFA running smoothly with some issues. Next, he wanted to play Roblox. I guided him through the process of installing Waydroid and libhoudini, only to discover that Roblox would run at 10 FPS. With Minecraft, it wasn't any better. It took us 1 hour to get it working (not skill issue, he wanted to play cracked through Prism Launcher). Now, he wants to go back to Windows 10. I have already told him about dual boot, but he has only 256GB of storage and he wants to play a lot of games. What should I do? Install Windows to his laptop, install some other Linux distro, or try to convince him more about dual boot? Thanks in advance and sorry for the essay.

UPDATE: Of course I will help him install Windows on his computer if he wants so, I don't want to force him to use Linux after all. I just wanted him to give it a try, and maybe daily drive it, if he can.

EDIT: Because for some reason it was misunderstood, let me clarify it here. Roblox ran with poor performance on Waydroid, not Minecraft. I just said that the installation of Prism Launcher cracked was difficult. After that, Minecraft ran smoothly without any problems.

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[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 65 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Unfortunately you chose the wrong distro for your friend - Linux Mint isn't good for gaming - it uses an outdated kernel/drivers/other packages, which means you'll be missing out on all the performance improvements (and fixes) found in more up-to-date distros. Gaming on Linux is a very fast moving target, the landscape is changing at a rapid pace thanks to the development efforts of Valve and the community. So for gaming, you'd generally want to be on the latest kernel+mesa+wine stack.

Also, as you've experienced, on Mint you'd have to manually install things like Waydroid and other gaming software, which can be a PITA for newbies.

So instead, I'd highly recommend a gaming-oriented distro such as Nobara or Bazzite. Personally, I'm a big fan of Bazzite - it has everything you'd need for gaming out-of-the-box, and you can even get a console/Steam Deck-like experience, if you install the -deck variant. Also, because it's an immutable distro with atomic updates, it has a very low chance of breaking, and in the rare ocassion that an update has some issues - you can just select the previous image from the boot menu. So this would be pretty ideal for someone who's new to Linux, likes to game, and just wants stuff to work.

In saying that, getting games to run in Linux can be tricky sometimes, depending on the game. The general rule of thumb is: try running the game using Proton-GE, and if that fails, check Proton DB for any fixes/tweaks needed for that game - with this, you would never again have to spend hours on troubleshooting, unless you're playing some niche game that no one has tested before.

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I really wish people stopped recommending mint for any purpose other than reviving a 20 Yr old laptop into a chromebook.

[–] engineerminded@techhub.social 2 points 6 months ago

@Lojcs @d3Xt3r I only use linux mint because the laptop is 6 years old but, it was a stop gap computer with 2GB ram and a 64GB emmc. The latest windows 10 brings it to it's knees.

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[–] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The problem is not that games don't run smoothly. The problem is that games don't run at all or require major effort to run without issues. Will installing that distro fix the complicated installation of Prism Launcher cracked? I don't think so. But I agree with you for the fact that I chose the wrong distro. I wanted something easy for beginners.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The problem is that games don't run at all or require major effort to run without issues.

A major cause for that is the distro - when it comes to gaming, the distro makes a huge difference as I outlined previously. The second major cause is the flavor of Wine you chose (Proton-GE is the best, not sure what you used). The third major cause is checking whether or not the games are even compatible in the first place (via ProtonDB, Reddit etc) - you should do this BEFORE you recommend Linux to a gamer.

In saying all that, I've no idea about pirated stuff though, you're on your own on that one - Valve and the Wine developers obviously don't test against pirated copies, and you won't get much support from the community either.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bazzite also solves this, sometimes.

But you cant change if Roblox etc actively block Linux compatibility

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why did they even do that?

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago
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[–] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

Thanks I'm going to give this a try.

[–] sandayle@lemmy.ml 50 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have been using Linux for years, but I don't insist anyone to use it, because when they encounter a problem, they blame you.

Let them drown in their filth.

[–] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My friend doesn't blame me. He blames Linux, which also isn't nice. Of course, it isn't Linux's fault that the Roblox developers patched their game so it cannot be ran with wine, but in his eyes, and the eyes of the non tech-savvy people, if it runs on Windows and not on Linux, Linux is doing something wrong.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago

Its our fault for making him use Linux. Why does it matter what OS people use? Chill my man.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your friend plays only the games that are a pain to make work on Linux, or straight up don't work. What else does he want to play, fortnite? Maybe some destiny? Lol Let them be. Windows is for them, Linux isn't, and that's ok.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ooh ooh! Genshin for good measure! That one even absolutely REFUSES to play in a VM or emulator!

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (12 children)

I've been playing genshin on Linux for almost a year now. Hint, Heroic games launcher ;)

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[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 months ago

You skipped a few steps. Before you install Linux for your friend, you should first ask him what he uses the PC for, and if he plays games, what games does he play.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

He obviously wants to use only proprietary Windows Software.

There is little reason to force him to use Linux. Of course Linux may have less overall tracking, annoying behaviors, better performance etc.

Win10 will be EOL veeery soon. Win11 is really bad on old hardware.

I second uBlue Bazzite and ProtonDB, check what you run first.

Respect that you even came that far lol.

[–] D_Air1@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you should have considered the stuff he wanted to do before convincing him to use linux. I could have told you he'd have problems with that stuff. If he said he mainly plays steam games then sure, but not literally the most finicky, cumbersome games to get going in existence. Also out of curiosity because I haven't even thought about Roblox in like 8 years. I thought that was a browser game?

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[–] Mountain_Mike_420@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well you get an a for effort. But if your friend wants to play windows games it’s better for them to just have windows on the machine. I give it to you and your friend for going all out on a new laptop and putting Linux on it right away.

A more convenient way for a new user to experience Linux is to do a live usb for them. That way they can boot into Linux easily but boot into windows just by removing the usb drive.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm really sad to see this “If he wants to play Windows games, let him use Windows” being repeated a hundred times in these comments. Mostly because it's an echo chamber, but also because Windows games have been better and better under Proton so 80-90% of Windows games on Steam run without a problem on Linux.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 15 points 6 months ago

Let him go back to Windows. You already planted the idea of using Linux in his head. Next time he gets tired of windows for any reason, he knows there is an alternative and he'll consider switching to Linux on his own.

[–] OR3X@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago

Do your friend a favor and install Windows back on his laptop for him.

[–] eveninghere 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You have a nice friendship :) That's more important than Linux.

[–] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 2 points 6 months ago

Of course! :)

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago

Sounds like he doesn't want to spend his time tinkering, but playing.

Can't blame him.

If he wants Windows, why are you questioning what he wants to do with his computer? He's had enough of playing fuck-fuck with Linux. (Mind, I work with Linux all day, every day, it's the cat's meow for dedicated services like Proxmox, TrueNAS, containers, etc).

Go get Win10 LTSC. It gets updates 2x/year, has very minimal bloat.

Then get O&O Shutup to reduce bloat even more.

And you can permanently license it using Microsoft's own scripts.

Scripts on Gituub.

[–] minimalfootprint@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 months ago

Roblox not runnimg is more like a feature. /s

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why were you trying to install the Android version of Roblox instead of using Vinegar?

[–] DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Roblox removed wine support for linux so its either emulating the android version or running a vm with gpu passthru

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[–] Templa 8 points 6 months ago

With only 256GB it might be even hard for him to use windows, to be honest.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago

Don't tell him to dual boot. He wants Windows don't shove Linux down throat. Honestly he probably shouldn't of been using to begin with. I'm not sure why you would pressure him so hard.

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You have to be doing something seriously wrong to make Minecraft run poorly. It has native support for Linux.

[–] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 2 points 6 months ago

Minecraft ran pretty well, the installation procedure was just difficult, because we were using this (which was a mistake).

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 7 points 6 months ago

With Minecraft, it wasn't any better.

Minecraft runs natively on Linux, though. It's not FOSS so it's not available through apt, but you can install it from a .deb from their website

Download page
The installation file

I've had better performance with Minecraft on Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.3 (albeit with kernel 6.1) than on Windows 10 personally.

Sadly, I can't easily fix FIFA or Roblox for you

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago

if hes willing try zorinos. If that does not work I know of nothing easier. It comes with play on linux pretty well configured.

[–] potosi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago

There's a drm-free version of prism launcher called PollyMC (note the two l's)

[–] AnAnonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

If you want to game stick up with Windows, for everything else use Linux.

[–] hankteford 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've tried to switch to Linux as my primary OS several times over the years, and every time I've done it I've run into some bullshit where I need to install a kernel patch to make my mouse wheel work or find a custom driver on some obscure forum to have working sound. I'm a technically-competent person but it's been a huge hassle literally every time I've tried, and that's without getting into WINE or other cross-platform shenanigans. I want it to "just work" and my experience is that it just doesn't. That said, it's been a few years and Windows 11 appears to be insanely hot garbage, so maybe I'll give it another shot.

[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Do. Take a boot USB for a spin. Try a few distros.

I've been on Linux (Mint) for years and never had a mouse-wheel not work or any problems with sound (hardware failure notwithstanding). The computer's been the same all the way through, but it is a bit of a Ship of Theseus at this point. Mint has had no problem with new (and old) parts that I've thrown in. Or new mice, as I implied before.

Getting old Windows games to work has been the biggest non-starter, which is pretty much where OPs friend was having trouble too.

Minecraft (Java) runs fine with the standard launcher, but I do get FPS problems if I've had an Xorg update. That's more of a "your graphics card is so old Mint doesn't really support it any more" problem, which I know how to work around.

I did have problems getting Linux to run on a laptop once, but then it was 1998 and Linux drivers weren't quite so plug and play. I had no idea what refresh rates my TFT screen needed and neither did Linux, boldly warning that if I set them wrong I could burn out my screen. Since I needed a GUI, I went back to Windows 95.

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Just let him read the arch with wiki.

[–] Aelis 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I swear it's always the same mistake each time someone has an issue trying linux. It should be a rule at this point : never switch to another OS without knowing what will work and what will not.

Going at it blindly is a quick way to get overwhelmed and discouraged.

(Not pointing fingers here, had a friend who wanted to try it out too, didn't listen to my warnings, didn't wanna check if everything would work out and then spent three month of pure hell, with me picking up the pieces and fixing their pc all the god damn time..)

[–] leadore@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You wouldn't expect to be able to run Windows software on a Mac, why expect to be able to run Windows software on Linux?

Having said that, it's true that you actually can run some windows software through Wine but it's a hack and it's not going to work as well as it would on the OS it was designed for.

But there are also things like Java and Electron applications that run natively on linux and just as well as on windows.
As for Minecraft Java edition, I just downloaded the Minecraft launcher .deb from minecraft.net and installed it, and it runs perfectly. You can't really complain that your pirated stuff isn't work right, lol.

edit to add: An easier way for your friend to try out Linux would be to either run it on a virtual machine within Windows, or boot from a live USB (that's slower though).

[–] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

At least he tried it. Maybe he'll pick up a second drive and dualboot. Regardless I have mad respect for someone who doesn't just assume things but puts the effort into finding out for themselves.

I remember when I was testing the water. I accidentally nuked my drive and something about that felt so final. At least after I found the USB drive I kept my backed up files, that was a real nightmare. I thought I lost my receipts for tax sure but all those photos and videos.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Laptops often have open slots for hard drives. With his permission open the back and see if he has one. Bonus points for replacing his win10 hd with a 1tb. He'd probably appreciate it enough to give Linux another go

[–] scratchandgame@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So why you convinced anyone to install a linux distro in the first place. But not asking him about whatever thing he will need later. Just install Windows.

(His SSD might be slightly damaged (by some unnecessary writings) because of you.) temporary removed without due date

You cannot kill windows and any other proprietary operating system by just switching their users to any currently "free" (as in no price to use and restrictive in modifications) linux distros. Don't try it again. Take off the tenses.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

Better luck next time.

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