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‘Let yourself be monitored’: EU governments to agree on Chat Control with user “consent” [updated]
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There is no consent in "you have to agree"
this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
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Nevermind that even if not consenting was an option, this law would still enforce the compromising of all secure communication.
Could they please, just, fuck off?
If you're in the EU you can vote and help to make some of them go away with the coming elections which are pretty soon.
Good idea. Unfortunately I'm not in the EU (Switzerland)
Thie is a 'must read' article and should be trending to reach as many people as possible.
This is a proposal right? Not something that's actually in place.
This happens every few years, and they also happen close to elections.
I'm not saying that this isn't dangerous, but these people send these proposals because they use it for their election campaign. They look like they want change, and they then blame too many votes on "not themselves" that it didn't pass.
I'm no so scared that this goes through, anyway.
Hummm, does TTIP and CETA rings a bell? If not, let's just say that during the covid pendamic the EU parliments signed CETA behind ours backs allowing transporting good between canada and EU. Sure TTIP itself was not signed (yeahhhi thats a win... Or not?)
But that doesn't matter because the only thing they wanted was a trade deal with the American continent It's TTIP with extra steps...
So right now we will propably have meat and vegetables full of GMO's, pesticides, and meat fully loaded with antibiotics, vaccines...
So If I where you I wouldn't count to much on
"They look like they want change, and they then blame too many votes on "not themselves" that it didn't pass."
They wan't changes when it benefits them and their agenda ^^.
I see your point in everything you say, but GMOs are not dangerous at all and makes crops use less water, makes them more nutritious, more resistant to pests (which means you don't need pesticides as much) and can even be used to let rice be richer in vitamin D, which is essential for some places in Asia.
Go after all the other things, no problem. But stop eating the GMO propaganda. Eat the GMO products instead.
That's not the point, eat what ever you think is good for you. We are not going into arguments that's out of context. That was just an example out of my memory on how they pass things without our consent or when they see any benefit for their own agenda not for the common good. (Still personal opinion, think whatever you want)
But whatever... I'm just a random on the net 🤷
I know it's not the point, and I don't really disagree to it either. You're right that they do have malicious intentions. I just swept it away, because they will be outnumbered. But it's still concerning and you are right to point it out.
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Edit:
I shoud have left that part out:
So right now we will propably have meat and vegetables full of GMO's, pesticides, and meat fully loaded with antibiotics, vaccines...
That's was maybe a too personal opinion were the conversation can easily get heated quickly (where ever your stand is on that subject) and is out of the scope of the actual post !
So sorry about that :/.
If this passes, could you not self-host an older version of an open source service that does not contain the backdoor (e.g. Matrix) for your closests contacts to circumvent this? Not saying that would be very practical for all communications, but at least for exchanging nudes with your partner? If so, at least there's that, but it would show how useless it is likely to be as anyone actually in the stated target audience could do the same.
Or is there something I'm missing that would prevent it?
Why necessarily an older version? Do you think a XZ-like well-hidden backdoor in some update is likely?
It is assuming this is implemented in a way that forces all existing messaging services to implement this or shut down. In that case, you would want to build it from source from a point in time before it was implemented (or shut down). If that is not the case, then this wouldn't be much of a problem to begin with, right?
this is implemented in a way that forces all existing messaging services to implement this or shut down
This is not possible. Anybody can host a messaging service as a tor onion, and there is nothing they can do about it :)
The only way they can make it work is to basically only allow connections to whitelisted services (not even GFW does that).
I mean, running outdated software is bad practice. Do you think backdoors would have to be cleverly hidden every time, like what we almost got with XZ? If it is in plain sight, I highly doubt a person outside of the oppressed jurisdictions (or just someone anonymous) wouldn't make a malware-removing fork.
Ah, now they try a GDPR compliant way of compromising the integrity of communication.
Anyone has recommendations on where to find information on who to vote for for the European parliament elections?
In Germany we have the wahl-o-mat, translates roughly into elect-o-mat.
This is a website loaded with all available parties and their political demands. You then answer a few dozen questions to identify your own opinions on the different subjects and then runs a comparison. You then end up with a tiered list of political parties you align with the most.
Perhaps a similar tool exists for other languages and countries as well
I guess the pirate party is very privacy focused
Based on a new proposal by the Belgian Minister
It took me a minute to figure out what is supposed to be "new" about it. Apparently they still want a back door to all your encrypted messaging, but they promise not to use it to look at text, only images, unless you "accept" the terms of service as everyone obviously will need to. I guess the idea is that people are becoming aware that the current "AI" systems are not really capable of understanding language well enough to do what is wanted here, but many haven't yet caught on to the fact that they're also sufficiently bad at discerning the meaning of images.
I wonder how much worse things would be if AI actually could do these things.
Basically all service providers in the EU will be forced to change their terms of service that all users will have to agree to in order to continue using the service. You will simply get an "updated terms service" notification with a link and one big "OK" button and nothing else. If you follow the link to the terms of service, somewhere deep down (like page 276 of 389) it will says "I agree to be monitored". You now have the choice to uninstall the app or to click "OK". It's basically everything. Obviously Google, Outlook, Yahoo etc and all the Chat apps (Signal, Telegram, Whatsapp) etc. So "Consent" is not really optional if you want to use any internet service, they can just pretend that it is so that can go on an uncontrolled unwarranted spying rampage against everyone and of course for everything.
This proposal is meaningless bullshit. I can't believe we are one of the the oldest species on earth and they keep coming up with such ridiculous ideas. This is a NO from me for this ridiculous proposal.
Have those people ever heard of a link?
Or compressed file archives.