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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's hard to explain how significant the Voyager 1 probe is in terms of human history. Scientists knew as they were building it that they were making something that would have a significant impact on humanity. It's the first man made object to leave the heliosphere and properly enter the interstellar medium, and this was always just a secondary goal of the probe. It was primarily intended to explore the gas giants, especially the Jovian lunar system. It did its job perfectly and gave us so many scientific discoveries just within our solar system.

And I think there's something sobering about the image of it going on a long, endless road trip into the galactic ether with no destination. It's a pretty amazing way to retire. The fact that even today we get scientific data from Voyager, that so far away we can still communicate with it and control it, is an unbelievable achievement of human ingenuity and scientific progress. If you've never seen the image the Pale Blue Dot you should see it. That linked picture is a revised version of the image made by Nasa and released in 2020. It's part of a group of the last pictures ever taken by Voyager 1 on February 14th 1990, a picture of Earth from 6 billion kilometers away. It's one of my favorite pictures, and it kinda blows my mind every time I see it.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The pale blue dot photo always makes me tear up. We're so small and insignificant in such a grand universe and I'm crushed that I can't explore it.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 months ago

There will always be a "step further we'd love to see but won't". Let's be glad we're in that step which included this photo and the inherent magnificence in it.

It totally beats being one of the earlier humans who just wondered what the lights in the sky might be. Probably gods or something.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 59 points 4 months ago

I was already impressed when they managed to diagnose a single bit flip a few years ago.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Keep in mind too these guys are writing and reading in like assembly or some precursor to it.

I can only imagine the number of checks and rechecks they probably go through before they press the "send" button. Especially now.

This is nothing like my loosey goosey programming where I just hit compile or download and just wait to see if my change works the way I expect...

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 4 months ago

they almost certainly have a hardware spare, or at the very least, an accurately simulated version of it, because again, this is 50 year old hardware. So it's pretty easy to just simulate it.

But yeah they are almost certainly pulling some really fucked QA on this shit.

[–] darkphotonstudio 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People always underestimate the high level NASA works at. Everyone bitches and moans, especially Musk simps, about how long SLS took to make and its expense, but it worked right the first time. In the case of the Voyager spacecraft, they are working with tech so old, all the original engineers are retired or dead. NASA rocks.

[–] TopHatExtraordinaire@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I understand your point and completely agree that NASA has produced some amazing technological feats, but we could probably use a different example than the SLS to highlight their accomplishments. Even with supposedly repurposed rocket engines and technology from the Shuttle era, that project is billions of dollars over budget and years behind schedule. If you want to highlight how amazing it is that SLS has actually flown with all the political manipulations associated with it, then I'd probably agree with you in that sense. This is no criticism of the engineers, but to completely ignore the issues of this project as a whole, not just financially related, seems to be a bit disingenuous.

Here’s a good article from Berger talking about what the Government Accountability Office thinks of the project: https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/nasa-finally-admits-what-everyone-already-knows-sls-is-unaffordable

[–] darkphotonstudio 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The budget wasn't really relevant to my point. And it did work correctly the first time.

[–] TopHatExtraordinaire@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All I'm saying is you could choose a better example, which NASA is full of them.

But lets say I built you a car that already came with an engine and some other important things, just to make it quicker and cheaper to get that car in your hands. Unfortunately, you want me to complete work on the car in five different states and use components from those areas. Guess what, the car is now about $5 million over budget and 5 years behind schedule. Not only that, but we encountered issues during the first test that are going to require more fixes ($$$) and more delays for the second test.

In this situation, you're saying it's great, it ran correctly the first time because it went down the road and back, and budgets and timelines don't matter. I'm saying ehhhh, not really - we're over budget by millions, delayed by years, and there were issues, even though we repurposed stuff that was in a car that actually ran a few years back. It's great we built the car, but the project itself isn't something that I would showcase as my best work.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 4 months ago

I think they're saying intellectually the work is amazing.

Ignoring all other factors they do shit right

[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Man I can’t even get my stupid Azure deployment to work and that’s only in Germany.

[–] Inktvip@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As someone who recently switched from AWS to Azure I feel your pain.

Best part is when you finally have a working solution, Microsoft sends you an email that it's being deprecated.

[–] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

What's wrong with AWS in your usecass?

[–] Inktvip@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh I switched jobs, so not switch as in migrate.

The industry I work in now is very conservative, so Microsoft is a brand people know and "trust". Amazon is scary and new.

[–] Scribbd@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago

Chances are that Microsoft won management over with discounts.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 39 points 4 months ago

Rejected : please comment your changes

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 38 points 4 months ago (3 children)

My understanding is that they sent V'Ger a command to do "something," and then the gibberish it was sending changed, and that was the "here's everything" signal.

And yeah, I'm calling it V'Ger from now on.

[–] blindsight 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They specifically sent it a command to send a full memory dump after it went haywire. It wasn't a fluke.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure - I didn't know what "something" was. And what I'd read was that someone had to figure out that they were receiving a full memory dump, which suggested to me that they hadn't specifically asked for that.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

And yeah, I'm calling it V'Ger from now on

Have my upvote.

Why haven't we been doing this already? I'm with you, let's make this happen!

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

From what I read there was damage to the memory in certain places so they've had to move the code into spare places in memory.

It's an astounding feat tbh.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago

One specific chip had damaged memory

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why do Tumblr users approach every topic like a manic street preacher?

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There's a significant overlap between theatre kids and Tumblr users.

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 20 points 4 months ago

That ven diagram is maybe 3 degrees away from a circle.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 months ago

Thank you, now I can't stop hearing them in Alan Tudyk's Clayface voice from the Harley Quinn series...

[–] FreeFacts@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I wonder how it is secured, or could anyone with a big enough transmitter reprogram it at will...

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 months ago

I think the security is adequately managed by the need for a massive transmitter as well as the question "what is there to gain via a hostile takeover and re-programming the probe?"

I bet there's actual security of some kind going on, but those two points seem like a massive hurdle to clear just to mess with a deep space probe.

[–] bosco@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You may be interested in learning about its downlink: https://destevez.net/2021/09/decoding-voyager-1/

[–] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 4 months ago

Lol.

Why is it only sending back dickbutt memes?

[–] trustnoone@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 4 months ago

I just have to imagine how interesting of a challenege that is. Kinda like when old games only had 300kb to store all their data on so you had to program cool tricks to get it all to work.

[–] Crumbgrabber@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

**This also means that aliens can reprogram all of our satellites. **

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 14 points 4 months ago

Yes if they can track them in middle of space.

It's impressive that we can still send data to the satellite. I mean you need to send the signal to the place where the satellite will be in 24 hours.

[–] lordmauve@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, it doesn't. Commands could be authenticated using a pre-shared secret. Even public cryptography existed prior to Voyager 1's launch (by a year).

Based on the state of computer security at that time I would guess that's unlikely, but then again it was the Cold War.

Anyway, just because it is possible it doesn't mean anyone can do it.

you say that like aliens wouldn't just acquire the hardware itself. If there are aliens, and they know about the probe, chances are they're probably in a better position to fuck with it than we are. From a computing power angle (i.e. it's easy to crack) as well as hardware level.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a documentary about this?

[–] zagaberoo 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Star Trek the Motion Picture

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

SWEs have new standards now, and i think we should hold them to it. Considering how shit most modern websites are these days. I think it's only going to be beneficial.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Say that to corporate. I'm perfectly willing (eager, even) to write actually good software, but I'm forced to work within a budget and on top of the pile of despair we call "tech stack". Everything is about 20 orders of magnitude more complex than it needs to be, nobody has time to do anything properly and everything is always kind of burning.

username checks out

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Let's hope the over-the-air update didn't get Man-In-The-Middled...

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

Voyager is a boomer and could more easily be phished

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

And the IT support service can't even fix a computer problem of an customer 20 km away.

[–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile here on Earth, we need to login using two accounts to access Helldivers 2. And even got pulled from many countries. What a time to be alive.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Sony has agreed to remove psn requirements for pc users now

[–] Toes@ani.social 4 points 4 months ago

Imagine being the guy who crashed the probe working with this guy.