Ngl teams is trash. Especially when IT keeps messing with settings they don’t understand.
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Easily the worst popular messaging app out there. Even on windows the thing barely ever worked for me and hogged a bunch of system resources to boot
As with many messaging apps only thing keeping it alive is the network effect (and integration with 365)
You moved your mouse near the calendar? LET ME CREATE A MEETING FOR YOU!
You opened up a card from a planning board? LET ME TRUNCATE THE TITLE SO YOU CAN’T READ IT!
You opened a document? HAHA CAN’T DO THAT FROM YOUR IP BUT YOU WON’T GET AN ERROR MESSAGE JUST AN INFINITELY SPINNING DOODAD!
I wish they just copied better apps like the Microsoft of old did.
Oh you want to use the default audio devices on your system? What default audio devices I'm going to use this random loopback device and your monitor with no speakers!
I have had to help so many end users with that it pains me.
"How can I stop this from happening again?"
Well, we can disable.other audio devices, but seeing as it's Windows 11 they may just re-enable good luck!
I ran into a user who's noise cancellation stopped working upon the rollout of "New" Teams. Tried diagnosing the microphone array, settings updates, firmware. No luck.
Know what worked? Both versions of browser based Teams!!! Ihatethemihatethemihatethem
Never heard of any Windows re-enabling disabled audio devices.
Deleted devices sure, because it automatically installs drivers of "new" devices so they automatically work for even technologically incapable users.
Did you run the Windows troubleshooter for that New Teams bug? Contrary to popular believe in the Sysadmin circles, those actually work pretty well.
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Is Teams a messaging app? 😮💨 Then please give me a way to sort and group my chats.
Just transitioned from a Google + slack company to a Microsoft account company.
I asked if we put our email accounts on our phones to be able to answer after hours, my supervisor said very few people are given access to emails on their phones.
I am fine with the switch, I used to get 40-60 emails to sort through a day. Now I will be doing maybe 5-10 a day and only 3 or 4 might actually be for me and I only have an 8 hour day with no after hours meetings.
Sounds like a pretty big win to me? Who answers emails after hours, yuck
I'm going from a 24/6 bigger city operation to a mon-fri 7-430 operation in a small town. It is a huge win for me.
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They must have some intense data retention policies. You can configure compliance levels to allow anyone into their Outlook acct using the app without any special permissions pretty easily.
Good on them to cut down access like that
Now I wonder if there's a correlation between companies using Microsoft package being companies less obsessed with crunch culture...
But ... why?
Outlook on phones works well enough. Was it some security measurement or something?
I mean it doesn't matter to me, I don't want to take my work home with me and I'm close to the computer while I'm at work.
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I tried to get our team to move to Matrix when COVID hit and there was no infrastructure for remote work.
It was such a shame that it was that exact time Jitsi had issues with Firefox (which most of us use), so we couldn't videochat.
If Jitsi had that resolved immediately, we perhaps could have used something open for at least couple of years. Maybe others would follow suit.
Oh well. Teams it is.
thats probably my biggest issue with open alternatives.
they always fail to take advantage of those opportunities and things stay broken until its way too late.
But I also harp a lot to my superiors about donating to open-source projects we utilize, make loads of money thanks to them, yet never give anything back.
I kinda get that some projects with limited backing can't "get their shit together", when successful users don't give them anything. It's a stupid pattern, and I hope we can break it.
i think we could bake some form of "free for personal use, paid for corporate use" clause in our foss licenses tbh
That's not a terrible idea as long as it's significantly cheaper than the closed alternatives. I think the biggest issue would be that orgs that pay would expect a certain level of service that a community project might not be able to deliver on.
Most of the small to mid size companies that I have worked for would choose a larger more established system that costs more even if it offers less over a self-hosted one that they had to pay some sort of fee for.
Is like this weird idea in the business world that if you're using Foss systems that it must be completely free, and that the reason why you are using it is because you are broke or cheap.
That's kind of what I was getting at. Medium to large organizations usually require a certain level of reliability that closed software companies usually guarantee with dedicated support staff and SLAs. An open source project developed by the community with no dedicated support is risky from that perspective.
If someone with the technical know-how and ability to maintain those systems offered support (red hat for example) for a lower price, many small and medium sized companies would get on board. That could also just look like a company hiring a small team to implement and maintain their own systems while contributing back to the community project.
It's just a much harder sell to non-technical leaders. They just want uptime guarantees and fixed costs.
My guess is that if you're going to start a MSP you can do that with Foss and probably have a lot of success as long as you've got the sales chops to get the contracts.
Then you can funnel some of your customers money to foss well also increasing awareness and adoption of the better free and open source software programs
some foss projects actually do this and have support staff!
i think libreoffice did this in the past. so does proxmox.
I don't think that is necessary, as some companies do actually help, either with money or even dedicated staff, which can be as good or better.
We should push for developers to promote the idea of more help towards FOSS projects, maybe find some hours a month, or send any money saved from not paying for licenses.
on the other hand we get situations where we have a single dev maintaining some essential part of tge stack, for free.
i think pushing for more help is just a piece of this puzzle.
Lose the critical part of your business, see how fast you can move around it.
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IMO Teams is better than Slack
Sometimes people have wrong opinions, don't worry it happens to the best of us (/s)
Hey, at least Teams has better surveillance than Slack!
oh wait that’s bad
What kind of surveillance? I remember 6 years ago an admin of a paid org on Slack could download all conversations, including private.
Any work tool is like that, including slack and teams. If you're using a corporate device or tool paid for/managed by your employer, you have no privacy whatsoever. If you're using the internet at work, IT knows at least which sites you visit
Usually the logs/conversations don't get read, they just have words that get flagged (from swear words to drugs to who knows what else), the rest is mainly in case something happens they can look into it more and maybe cover their ass.
That said, I bet more data goes to microsoft from teams than goes to slack from slack, so in that case I bet slack is a bit better
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I use Slack for personal projects and Teams for work. I think both are fine. The main reason it made sense to use Teams at work was because there were a number of products in use by different teams. IT had Slack and the rest had Zoom. Zoom was raising their costs and we already had Teams as part of 0365. So it was either buy Slack licenses for the entire company or just get everyone on Teams. It was kind of a no-brainer and it was hard to come up with a convincing argument to pay for Slack for everyone other than "Microsoft bad".
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Microsoft's O365 stack and Teams aren't great, my friend, but they're light years ahead of anything Google and Slack offer. Especially when any sort of collaboration is involved.
It's weird that there's people that believe this...
There is no way you're using either on a constant basis. He is right. It's not a great setup, but it beats the brakes off of workspace+slack.
The collaboration features in 365 fuck up and get in the way a lot more often than they work correctly WITH ONLY TWO CONCURRENT USERS. Conversely, I've seen entire classrooms in Google Docs working together like it wasn't even a thing.
I don't have a lot of love for any of these companies, but what you are saying is objectively false.
Completely wrong. The Microsoft word collaboration is completly Terrible, constantly locks other people from editing even if they are on another part of the page. It really doesn't work for more than 2 people, while you can have like 30 people on a google doc with no issues (probably more, haven't tried more).
Also, I blocked beehaw, why can I see your comment
I can't dispute that. I'm not a Word person. I live in Excel and often have half a dozen people working in the same file without issue, but that's much more logically structured than a Word document. Google's team sites are also disjointed and janky af compared to Sharepoint.
Excel is far superior to google sheets, you can't go past z on google, while on excel you can go to like zzz or something.
Word however, simply doesn't work with multiple people in a usable way.
Because blocking an instance only blocks their communities from showing up in your All feed, it doesn't block comments.
Google + Slack is pure unadulterated garbage. Gotta wonder what Teams is like if you suddenly develop nostalgy for a flaming dumpster.
Teams just doesn't work
I went from an MS+Teams org to a Google+Slack org. The latter is way better, Teams is a steaming pile of wank.
Yesterday Teams decided I don't need a microphone. It just mutes me after a few seconds. Only thing I can do is unmute myself every few seconds.
Microsoft actively hates its users. Why are all of the keyboard shortcuts in the most inconvenient place possible? Why does Outlook not mark mail as read/unread in an intuitive way? Why does Teams schedule send require one tap on mobile but two clicks on desktop? Also this isn’t even the thread to get into whatever tf is going on with LinkedIn. Planting seeds and harvesting crops was a mistake.
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Teams communication is fine but that file "structure" is atrocious.
We have Skype + Mattermost (without gifs) + Rainbow. Give me Teams if you want, but please, stop adding tools.
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