Okay but I'd rather hear this from someone who is actually using a 5+ year old phone, not a guy who has a 1 year old work phone that he "plans" to keep for an undefined amount of time. Everyone says this and then they break it and decide the cost of a repair isn't worth it, or just cave to the first trade in deal they receive in their inbox. There is a lot of virtue signalling about e-waste and the environment from these tech reviewers and influencers on YouTube but very few of them actually follow their own guidelines.
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and then they break it and decide the cost of a repair isn't worth it
Yep, that was me with my previous phone, which I did indeed have for over 5 years.
But there's another major factor to it.
I use Android phones, which get official software updates for only a couple years (3 years for the most part). This includes security updates.
So when I got my current one it was one of only two I even considered, because only those two manufacturers promised 5 years of (security) updates at the time.
It has gotten better though, but except for Fairphone they're still all very hard or impossible to repair.
I sadly became one of those people last year. I had every intention of keeping my Pixel 5A for a long time but when faced with a $250 repair bill I bought a used pixel 6 for $240 instead of fixing it. I do regret it because the battery life and antenna on the 6 is awful compared to the 5a.
I've upgraded to Pixel 7 last year to run GrapheneOS. Honestly it was a very underwhelming upgrade. My 2019 Oneplus 7T is still kicking running LineageOS, could go back any second and not notice.
I'd like replaceable batteries to come back.
I as well. At the very least, we need some fucking differences in the market. Every phone doesn't have to be the same. Imagine the car market if all we could buy were Chrysler 300s. It looks sleek and nice but will crap out on you in a couple years and doesn't really fit in well with your career as a general contractor. When it dies, you have to go buy another one and start the cycle over.
That's why I'm eyeing to get a Fairphone as soon as my current phone breaks
My Fairphone does, and I have already purchased a batter for 35 euros, which I keep in my drawer. The phone is now just over 3 years old, probably in a year or so I will replace it. I am aiming for at least 6-7 years lifespan.
So say we all.
Been waiting to use that ;-)
It seems like each new version of Android locks down the file system in some new way that breaks a core part of something I do, so I actively don't want to upgrade.
I can't root my phone because I need my banking apps readily avaliable right now.
I'm still bitter about USB mass storage being removed for only MTP. MTP sucks, any time I use it for more than a few small files it always ends up dying partway through.
Yea, don't waste time with MTP. It's a hack to enable some access. It's always been unstable.
Use some kind of network sync tool instead. Syncthing, Resilio Sync, Foldersync, etc.
Using the cable it could be much faster though. If it worked, that is.
Most entry level and midrange phones are still USB 2.0, even if they use USB-C physical port. USB 2.0 is 480 Mbit/s max, even old Wi-Fi 5 allows 1 Gbit/s speeds or even more. At this point the limit will be the writing speed of eMMC/SD card so even USB 3.0 becomes superfluous. After setting up my NAS, Jellyfin, Navidrome, Syncthing and Tailscale I haven't ever connected my phone to a PC for file transferβphotos get synced automatically, music/videos get streamed and if I need to move files manually I can just do it from/to the SMB share over the network.
even old Wi-Fi 5 allows 1 Gbit/s speeds or even more
Well, probably. I don't have experience in that. Probably though it requires you to be in the room where the router is, or paper thick walls.
As my phone's MTP miserably fails for files from almost 4 GB and upwards, when I do heavy copying I just connect the SD card to my PC with a USB adapter and do it that way.
Wholly agreed, I even do more than the 3,2,1 backup because of it to a family member's routers which have SMB mounts and a Rasp pi down there with Tailscale on it. So helpful too having my Tailnet down there because it means I can remotely help them out without them even knowing.
Also, the above "must be via cable fanatics" should go and Praise DuARTe for not even using adb push/pull?
That's why I stick with Android 12, all my banking apps work just fine with magisk's DenyList. Heard that's getting tricky on 13 or 14.
And I absolutely need root to add system-wide adblocking and security features like Ice Box and Storage Isolation.
I must be very lucky, but I have never been annoyed at something that Google does since 2020 (the year I got an Android phone and started to root).
Hail, AdAway and Swift Backup already improve my Android experience completely.
Yo, write better titles. I thought this was a video about how they didn't want to upgrade to Android 15 or something. But it's not. It's just about not buying a new phone every two years π In my opinion buying a new replacement isn't 'upgrading'.
Buying a new replacement totally is upgrading though.
That's why it's so rare to find phones with easily changeable batteries as most phones are like new if you just replace that.
Difference between updating and upgrading
Why I refuse to upgrade to a new phone - 8 minutes video explaining why it's not that interesting to ~~upgrade~~ buy new phones nowadays
I think that'd fit better.
But you all made me look it up on Wikipedia: "Upgrading is the process of replacing a product with a newer version of the same product. In computing and consumer electronics an upgrade is generally a replacement of hardware, software or firmware with a newer or better version, in order to bring the system up to date or to improve its characteristics."
I'm confused. Maybe because so many people use those terms wrongly. And I suspected them doing that. But I think I'd still like to refuse using the same term for describing upgrading a computer with an additional $35 RAM stick and buying a new $2.500 gaming rig.
I'm still on 13 just because I didn't see any point to upgrade.
I mean, I don't see the point in not upgrading when your device supports it. The interface pretty much stays the same at this point, and they usually do improve on security, and other background stuff.
I upgrade less than I used to, and I only do mid-range devices now, like the Pixel A series or Motorola G series. That kind of bracket. I'm just going to install Lineage OS on it anyway and it works fine so why pay more when I don't need that.
You can just buy a used phone too. An older pro is going to be better than the new A. Same price too.
But worse battery life.
Until you replace it's battery. Often it's still doable, even if needlessly cumbersome
I finally upgraded my phone after 7 years. I had trouble picking out a phone that didn't remove everything... no headphone jack, no sd card slot and we're supposed to call that an upgrade? (What I got still has those thankfully)
But it's got lidar so you can jack off hands-free by gesturing a jerking motion!
I upgrade when I kill my phone. There's just no other reason to do it otherwise
Same. However I do work manual labor, so nothing too fancy lasts long.
The smartphone market has matured, so there is less of a difference between each generation. Earlier on there was a massive difference in performance:
The OG Galaxy S had 512MB of RAM, 8GB storage, and a single Arm A8 core at 1GHz, and the SII had 1GB of RAM, 16GB/32GB storage, and a dual core A9 at 1.2GHz. This is a single generation with double the RAM and more than double CPU power, and nearly 6x the GPU power (theoretically), and 2-4 times the storage.
Then the SIII came out with a quad core SoC 1.4GHz, a much larger screen with higher resolution (jumping from 480p to 720p), significantly bigger battery, and up to 64GB of storage.
The S4 doubled the RAM to 2GB, faster storage, significantly faster and more efficient SoC, a larger, 1080p display paired with a much more powerful GPU, and a significantly larger battery as well.
Back then, if you had the money, there was a considerable difference between each generation and there was a reason to upgrade, many not every year, but if you could afford it, upgrading every other year made sense.
After that, changes were much more calm. Sure, some phone makers made exciting and innovative stuff, but the hardware didn't have a massive difference from one generation to another, and also prices were rising.
Nowadays, phones are far less exciting, but flagship phones are ludicrously expensive, and yet they sell incredibly well. While phones are being improved from one generation to the next, they feel like small steps rather than a giant leap. Our demand for power hasn't gone up quite as fast as our phones themselves. People will keep buying phones less frequently, just like we do for laptops.
@Blaze I kept my last phone for about 5 years, and it was still quite usable when I left it. But I just lacked space, and I had to be picky even about the apps I needed. Now I plan on keeping the one I have until I no longer receive updates.
iPhone XS Max, 2018. The only reason I might update is for the better camera. But this is marginal. I tend to buy one of the top line iPhone once in about 5 years, with enough memory. And they last long time. I might consider changing battery instead and get another 2 years⦠Apple is also super good with software updates on old hardware.
Apple is also super good with software updates on old hardware.
Except for that time they deliberately slowed down older phones with software updates so people would buy new phones.
Iβm using an almost four year old iPhone 12 mini, with absolutely no desire to upgrade. I plan to use this phone until itβs a brick.
I've been using a 12 Pro and if it wasn't for the version number in the name I wouldn't even be aware of its age. They are all so fast these days the battery dies long before it becomes too slow to use. If it wasn't for CarPlay and iMessage I'd absolutely use a flip phone with Android Go or something.
Upgrade when you feel it's time to upgrade, not because the latest and greatest just released again.
I feel it's time to upgrade when the latest and greatest just released again.
/s
AP telling me things are not interesting smells like clickbait.
Why the hell did that happen?
It doesn't even have to be interesting. It's enough if it's not disgusting
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