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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 74 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

In a world where most must sell their time for money to survive, free time is true luxury.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sell your kids on the black market. Poof! Free time.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

President Milei I didn't know you were on the fediverse!

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 8 points 7 months ago

And some contemptible people who have more free time and resources than they know that do to with - they must focus all efforts on acquiring more resources AND making it harder for others to catch up.

It would be reason to pity the emptiness of some lives, were they not so destructive.

  • I am not talking about people that find their work or their career fulfilling and keep working hard at it. That’s different than a billionaire who spends millions every year to bust unions and prevent raises to the minimum wage. (Or assassinate whistle blowers, as the case may be)
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[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 51 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] BobbyNevada@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 7 months ago

Thank you for moving day naps higher on the list.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 50 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I don't disagree, just a quite reminder that not everyone can afford this. The meme doesn't say it but it gives "money doesn't buy happiness" vibes and while this isn't false, a certain amount of money is required for this.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the picture, but I thought that's why they were called luxuries - because not everyone gets to have them. Though they aren't what we usually associate with a luxurious lifestyle.

E: just to be clear, everyone should have them, but many are too occupied with the daily battle for survival.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I read it the same way, that's why I said that I don't disagree. Still there is this other reading I wanted to "debunk"

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[–] Vent@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How much money does one need for a long walk and listening to birds?

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 36 points 7 months ago
  1. Time is money. If you work 2 jobs to provide for your kids alone, good luck finding the time and headspace to not worry about anything.

  2. Parks and forests aren't evenly distributed. Not everyone can afford living near one or going there.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In capitalism, one must first pay for basic necessities like food and shelter before anything else. For some people who make low wages this requires an amount of time and effort that interferes with their leisure time.

That said, there are also some people who think they are in this category when in reality their stress is due to self-imposed standards of living that are higher than necessary. Or anxiety and other psychological problems that could be addressed through non-material strategies.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah this is lowkey a boogie meme - the majority of people don't live in a work situation that allows for day naps!

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How do we call something that the majority of people can't afford ?

A luxury

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[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 18 points 7 months ago

“The ability to freely express yourself”

—with fire.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.de 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm on the fence about hearings birds singing. It is really annoying to get woken up way too early by a bird who just knows two tunes and sings it over and over and over again. Like what the fuck?! Didn't they teach you a third tune at bird school to make your song a bit more melodic and less irritating? Fucking twitter.

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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 13 points 7 months ago

These are great but aren’t colorful sunsets (at least in part) a side effect of air pollution? ;)

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago

what are you a millionaire?

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago

people rejecting these ideas as a whole as they continue to doomscroll online 👌

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Most of those shouldn't be luxuries, but rights.

[–] MrBusiness@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sooo being a Hobbit? Yeah I'm good with that

[–] Pog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago

Mornigs 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 7 months ago
[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I love when birds wake me up at 5 am from their incessant singing because they can't shut up. It makes me so happy to not be able to sleep.

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[–] kassuro@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The weird thing about this is, a few of these things are rather hard once you have kids. Don't know the last time when I slept alone in my bed or had a slow morning. But well, you get other things in return, like the pure love of you children so it's fine haha.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That's because we destroyed the primitive communal family to create the nuclear family. Humans throughout most of history would raise their children collectively, rather than all the responsibility just being dumped directly onto the parents.

And they wonder why we don't have kids lol

[–] kassuro@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's true, we also have the unfortunate situation that we don't have any relatives that could support us. All grand parents live at least ~5 hours away. Moving isn't really an option for my wife because of her work currently.

Really sucks...

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 7 months ago

it's so wild because we still have the saying that it takes a village to raise a child!

[–] rainynight65@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago

Need to add 'a long hot shower' to this list.

[–] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Anybody know some good books? Have been pretty disappointed for the longest time

[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I know hundreds but I don't know your tastes.

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[–] OpenTTD@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Fuck solarpunk. I buy carefully, not mindlessly, based on what I'm getting and for how long, with the intent of not having to replace what I buy. So let's get that out of the way, this isn't about the merits of environmental preservation or efficient use of our resources.

I need mass media because I ENJOY PLAYING VIDEO GAMES. I don't want to live in the fucking "gay space commune", I want to live in a world that feels good to me, and you solarpunk assholes seem to say people like me who escape from reality because they've NEVER been capable of supporting themselves should start a fucking garden?!

Newsflash. I. Don't. Like. Your. "Utopia". I never will. If you ever succeed in making your idea of a future a reality, I'll burn it to the fucking ground as my revenge on you bastards. I hate your idea because all it does is change how I am oppressed as a disabled adult to how I was oppressed as a special needs child illegally taken from my parents by a corrupt mental health system.

You want to see a real utopia? A place where everyone is happy in the world they live in? Fucking find an oneirogenic drug that induces lucid dreams or create a VR metaverse.

Who I am in reality does not matter. Who I am in my mind can't be expressed in a solarpunk world, only online. At least that's how it used to be.

Why am I named the same as an Open Source Game? Cyperprep doesn't have to mean "the future megacorps are not so bad!" but rather "megacorps control this dystopian future but they can't always stop the signal and that means Open Source Software is the way to fight back".

The difference between FOSS for smart devices and social networks and FOSS for games is that games are art and that means paid food production will take precedence over volunteer video games.

And no, you don't get to say "get another hobby". I know myself. I like technology. I don't like preachy people. I stopped buying Apple when I stopped seeing unique-looking devices. I am a gamer. Most importantly, I am a sci-fi writer who wants optimistic stories that don't assume the reader is a fully-capable person.

I am not demanding you write what I want to see. Only that you not try to turn reality into it. If you see this, once again, fuck solarpunk.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Bro, what does any of this have to do with solarpunk?

Just normal stuff...

[–] TeryVeneno@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (26 children)

No one is talking about you, mass media and consumerism has nothing to do with anything you described. Video games as a whole does not equal consumerism or mass media. Micro transactions and other terrible patterns do.

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[–] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm a shut-in, with untreated health issues, someone who partakes in escapism, and even someone who likes the idea of programming but can't really do much (I tinkered on rendering polygons from text input last September and didn't even finish it enough to be usable for me).

I haven't seen much solarpunk but I've never thought to myself that it'd be worse for me. If I existed in an environment like that (particularly from birth or at least for a long time) I don't think I'd be the same escapist shut-in. I could see open-source games still existing, and maybe programming being better even if people are less likely to have videogames as their most common activity. I've taken care of already-growing plants before, but it seems to me like a lax solarpunk environment would offer more options/opportunity than employment currently offers. Probably actual opportunity to travel, too.

Even carrying over my current mindset and (lack of) capability, I can't see a solarpunk environment being even half as restricted as my experience now. I mean the whole idea is better community and technology used to help people (not strictly for money) so it seems to me you wouldn't be required to garden.

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[–] CharlieActual@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago

Cool story, bro.

[–] fahrradmuesli@feddit.de 4 points 7 months ago

Larry, I’m on Ducktales.

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