Good news for pigs. I'll be delighted to see factory farming disappear and be replaced by tech like this.
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Yeah but what are we gonna do with all these pigs then? Uplift them and invite them into our society?
Slaughter them for one last time and spare their future generations by removing their lineage from existence. Nbd
We could let the pigs run the farm, then document what happens.
You could even write a book about that!
Eat the last generation and put a couple in zoos, like we did with all species once they are no longer useful...
This was definitely one of my concerns when I first went vegan, but thankfully, it's really not a problem at all, due to basic supply and demand.
Everyone in the world isn't going to go vegan overnight. The demand for animal products will gradually decline over decades, and farmers won't waste their time and money by raising more animals than they can sell, so the supply will decline in turn.
Release them into the wild
Nah. We got people in helicopters shooting them by the hundreds and they are still out of control.
Imagine how that moment would look on The Simpsons. Imagine Lisa hitting the button to free them all
That’s the fastest way to kill of even more animals and species as a whole. Pigs are really good at adapting and eating.
Yeah, it’s not a good idea
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Technically kosher because there's no cloven hooves?
As a technical Jew I can say that yes, this is technically kosher ^disclaimer: I have no knowledge at all of Jewish custom or scripture^
What
Their mother was Jewish but they haven't been taught the religion, making them technically Jewish but without any knowledge of Judaism.
He’s a Jew but not Jewish.
Like me.
One is an ethnicity. The other is a religion. It’s easy to get them confused.
He’s Jew-ish
So is everybody here a technical Jew? Like, that's three of us, and this isn't a huge community.
I'm Brian, and so is my wife.
Brian is an interesting name for a woman. Then again, my brother Steven married a man named Stephen.
It's from "Life of Brian", and somewhat related to Jewish identity. Here's the referenced scene - recommend the whole movie if you've never seen it.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4SYc_flMnMQ
Good for Steven and Stephen, and wish them every happiness.
Ahhhhh this makes more sense, thanks for clarifying!
Bingo 👍👌
They’re not technically kosher. Nor halal.
NOT YET
It hasn’t officially been ruled upon by either kosher or halal certification boards yet (although many Jewish and Islamic leaders have expressed differing opinions on the matter), but most lab meat growers very much hope it will be ruled as what is known as “parvere” — or not meat. That is to say, since it didn’t actually come from an animal, it’s not technically meat, it has no blood, wasn’t slaughtered, etc., and, as such is considered more in line with a vegetable or other foodstuff that isn’t milk or meat.
If lab meat is considered in this way, it could clear the way for Kosher and Halal certification as well as for Hindus who do not eat beef, and many others with objections to eating meat for various reasons.
kosher or halal certification boards
That's fucking wild.
We live in a brave New World, adjudicated by a very old and blind one
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Asking the real questions!
Yes, very Kosher.
source: porky the pig
I'm skeptical. It's been really picking hard to get those things to grow in a vat. This would be a huge breakthrough, and popsci has a way of leaving out critical, fatal details.
Such as “a claim proven by the hundred pounds of pseudo pork they shipped us overnight”?
I didn’t read the article. I assume this journalist made zero primary observations?
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I've been waiting for that for so long. Just hope governments and people give it a fair chance instead of jumping rashly negative conclusions just because it is lab grown. So is beer, and cheese, and most other things we consume.
Italy's politicians in a fantastically backward and utterly brain farted move has made "synthetic meat" outlaw, for study, production, sale and consume, like already some months ago, just to please the local (read: national) farmers lobby. Or at least they adverised as they did... forgive me I kinda lost hope and interst as well.
Gotta love the totally-not-neofascist Meloni government :(
I mean, with modern sausages, it's mostly trash or overpriced. They taste like they have 5% meat, 95% sawdust.
Wait until pig cancer cells turn into sausages 90 times faster
This stuff was basically ready to go minus scaling up two decades ago. They were still working on adding marbling and texture into steaks that could fool you in a blind test, but amazed it’s taken this long to get to sausages.
I think you got your timing wrong. The first prototype of cultured meat was presented 2013 and costed about 250.000 € back then. "Minus scaling up" was and is a pretty big issue.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/05/world-first-synthetic-hamburger-mouth-feel
I'm not exactly sure, but I think we can combine pork growing vats and AI to create a new species.
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Uhh. That's meaningless? What's the energy/resource usage comparison.
Only meaningless on one scale. It seems like a huge improvement on the animal cruelty scale.
I’d try to use money to calculate that. For farming, there’s probably tons of data. But for growing meat, there won’t be as good a model of what this thing’s inputs are. Like say it takes a dropperful of iodine at one point in the process. What’s the energy content of that iodine?
Money would be a good approximation of this: what’s the cost of producing that pork versus rearing a pig?
Eh it's not great but if they can create true pork competitive product quickly, that can be profitable in a chaotic market, allowing them to scale production to meet more unforseen/fast moving demand.
So when can we realistically expect this to be a thing?
okay, but what's the resource consumption like? that's the major issue with meat farming - it takes all the resources necessary to grow food for the animals, and also all the resources necessary to keep and grow the animals themselves. If you need more meat in the same timeframe you can always just raise more pigs.
Whatever that is right now, I'd say it's at least more animal friendly, and you can control waste and pollution better, making it cleaner.
Over time, efficiency can be improved as well
I'd say it's a very good step
I mean, theoretically this makes only the parts we want to eat and makes it directly instead of an offshoot of all the other biological processes like growing to the right age and ratio and growing the parts needed to keep it alive all that time. So my ass pull non educated thought process would assume the end result should require faaaaarrr less energy assumption for the same amount of meat?
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