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alt text: A "xit" from user @ChrpngBrd in which he responds to another "xit" from @BlueBoxDave that says "If Israel falls then America falls. It's that simple." @ChrpngBrd's response is a thumbs up emoji, and two stills from The Simpsons S02E19 "Lisa's Substitute." In which, the first image is Martin Prince putting up a poster saying "A vote for Bart is a vote for Anarchy!" and the second image is Bart Simpson putting up a poster that says "A vote for Bart is a vote for Anarchy!"

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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Deranged logic, Israel is not a strategic keystone to the survival of America.

Like, even if one has drunk the Flavoraid enough to think that what Israel is doing is ok and that it’s not an apartheid state that needs the South Africa treatment; in what fucking reality is Israel not eminently replaceable in the role it plays in US foreign policy? if anything, it is a net negative, a dead weight dragging down US relations with the rest of the region.

It routinely takes unilateral action to throw gas on the metaphorical fires of the region. Like, allies have their own goals and ambitions that diverge sometimes, but you’d expect them to converge occasionally and not actively attempt kneecap each others diplomacy.

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Israel isn't even America's most important playmate in the middle east.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Israel isn't even in danger of falling.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Israel isn't easily replaceable in US foreign policy for the Middle East. I.e. the US uses Israel as a base of operations in the area. But the US definitely doesn't need Israel for it's survival or even to exert influence on the Middle East: it just makes it easier.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The US didn’t have a base in Israel till 2017, it’s never really been a significant base of operation for US forces. Us forces have more presence in basically every country in the region with the exception of Yemen, Egypt and Iran. Hell, there’s even a base Syria.

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago

And there's a nato member a little bit north of Israel.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

With declining importance of oil, the US has less reason to give a shit about the Middle East. We're a ways off from that point, but it's coming.

If you think the Middle East is fucked up now, just wait until there's a power vacuum from nobody caring about oil anymore.

[–] tuckerm@supermeter.social 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

How in the hell does anyone think that America's safety is dependent on Israel?

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 6 months ago

It's called propaganda.

[–] catfishsushi@midwest.social 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The US doesn't support Israel for our safety. We do because historically being anti-Israel alienated the following groups.

  • Evangelical votes in the US
  • Jewish voters in the US
  • A strong Pro-Israel lobby, who would give a LOT of money, and therefore a lot of votes, to opponents of an anti-Israel candidate.
[–] regul@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Evangelicals only really started voting in the 80s. Their support of Israel is only significant recently.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There was a cold war argument that the US needed Israel and the Saudis to counteract the more Russia-aligned Egypt and Iran. We have guns here because they have guns over there.

Now its mostly because oil, which will be important for a lot of products for a long time to come, but not for the one thing that drives American policy in the region: the price at the gas pump.

Oh, and then there's the Christian Zionists who want to kick off the Rapture. That group is vestigial, diseased, and needs to be cut right out.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If Israel falls then America falls. It’s that simple

the dude can't even use a comma, what the fuck?

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 months ago

I really hate the us but you just have to accept that china being the largest world power would be even worse.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 months ago

Don't blame me: I voted for Kodos.