I was missing one aspect as to why so many of us are drawn towards cottagecore, which is that the return to a more simple life means a return towards more connections with non-humans. People and their different non-human allies (plants, animals, fungi) go way back and recently we've lost touch. We don't miss the sourdough for aesthetic reasons. We miss the sourdough because it's an old friend.

The world we have created is entirely human-centric, and now we feel alone.

As to the aesthetization and commercialization of subcultures - that has always been a risk and is in no way limited to stuff liked mostly by girls. As soon as a subculture gains a name the vultures arrive. Just waiting for the new range of solarpunk softdrinks to be available in my local store tbh.

[–] luciole 1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I can't say for sure, but I wonder about this supposedly lost connection with nature. How long ago did we lose it? Did we ever have it? Rurality was under Christianism, which taught its followers that nature's whole point was to be submitted to us. Education was scarce and ecology did not exist as a concept. Did we really commune with nature, or were are forefathers blindly wrestling with it?

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 months ago

From my very limited knowledge of history I would wager a guess that humans went gradually from 'natural forces are more powerful than us, therefore godlike' to 'our human-shaped god has given us the power over nature and we must tame it' to 'ooops neither seems to be correct, what do now?'. Quite a few sustainable approaches had been implemented by traditional societies in the past, and we should learn from what worked back then and combine it with what works now. No need to copy the past 100%, no need to reinvent the wheel every week.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago

My mother grew up in an atheist socialist society. There was no particular emphasis on nature as something particularly exploitable or overly important. Still she can point out every tree that is common to our area, most bushes and flowers and all common edible mushrooms.

People would simply know about these things because they were relevant, simply for the lack of a TV and internet to occupy your time.

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[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I remember when cottagecore first came into my worldview. By this time, it seemed to have already been an established aesthetic.

It gave off the same vibes as minimalism to me. A white washed, mass marketed solution for a busy world wanting simplicity. Commodified to show how simple a person can be. Another form of perversion and exploitation of simplicity by capitalism. Just like anything capitalism touches, it sucked every bit of meaning, soul and passion out of the concept of simplicity to sell more soulless junk.

I do agree that behind the aesthetics is a real yearning for simplicity. Technology is abstract and complex. For every bit of technology we add in our lives, it's yet another layer of abstraction and complexity ontop countless more layers of abstraction and complexity. To me it feels like I am maintaining maintenance for abstract and complex ideas that I barely understand.

If this sounds like the ramblings of a crazy person talking in circles then you are beginning to understand why I feel so insane. I hate it.

I often fantasize about what life would have been like as a pre-colonialist indigenous person. Living in a way that honoured nature instead of controlling it. Observing and learning from nature. A closer connection to plants, animals and everything that lives. I don't mean to romanticize this way of life. It has it's challenges and limitations. It would be a harsher and possibly shorter life. I would give up all the modern technology for fewer simple tools, a smaller local community and a closer connection to the land and the life it offers. I want my story of a short, intense and meaningful life to shown on my skin through the scars and tattoos I have collected throughout it.

I feel both minimalism and cottagecore both offer modern approaches to simplicity and fail to properly address the disconnect between modern living and nature. Even before being perverted by capitalism. I'd prefer moving forward a combination of modern understanding and indigenous land practices. Reconnecting with community and nature.

I want people to feel joy the same joy I felt after I created a healthy, living pile of soil for my veggies to grow in. I've felt more satisfaction from that than fron any object I've ever bought.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I often fantasize about what life would have been like as a pre-colonialist indigenous person. Living in a way that honoured nature instead of controlling it.

This is a huge myth. Anytime natives got access to new technology, they went on a rampage with it (just like everyone else). Horses and rifles being the best examples. Humans are humans and everyone does equally dumb human shit.

Your dream is a mostly standard pre-agrarian fantasy, only you've projected it onto a cultural group. But pre-agrarian lifestyles were harsher than you can possibly imagine. Having that kind of balance with nature mean nature is going to kill you more often than not.

[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 months ago

I've had the opportunity to live in Australia and had a chance to learn of the indigenous people there. Their stories and history. I made an effort to learn a bit more about how life was like before colonialists. Or at least what we were able to learn about life before colonialism as a lot of that information is filtered through colonialist eyes.

When I returned home to Canada, I was able to unpack all that I learned from the treatment of Australian indigenous people and apply that perspective to the Canadian Indigenous people. Honouring the land doesn't simply mean how we treat our food or living sustainably. It includes the nature bound history and stories that communities have created and shared as it moved forward in history. A story of a volcano that was so destructive could live on for many human generations to come as it becomes a crucial story of the peoples that lived in that area. Breaking away from modern perspectives on human histories is difficult because there's so much nuance that never gets recorded.

I don't know how fair it is to compare pre-colonialist indigenous people's behaviour to post colonialism. There are a lot of factors and skewed perspectives that need to be understood before I could talk more on that. From what I have learned, I also don't think it's fair to judge indigenous people's behaviours to new technologies that was introduced after the arrival of Europeans. I feel it's somewhere on the level of blaming children for the problems of today when it's always been the adults who exploited and crafted everything there is today. I don't believe the indigenous people's ignorance to their own genocide should be their blame. This is just my perspective on things and I still have lots to learn regarding indigenous people and their history. I can always be wrong.

I also feel you quoted me unfairly. Later in that same paragraph I try to express that pre-colonialist life would not be easy, that it would be short and harsher and full of it's own unique challenges. I'd prefer a short and intense life with daily struggles compared to a long, drawn out existence maintaining complex machines and worrying about the future. But that's just me.

[–] Spazz@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 8 months ago

Lol, RTFA

[–] corymbia@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago

The whole movement seems to revolve around pictures of hot young women in loose garments.

Just sayin’

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago

I don't believe it's a "false" dream.

The dream is true, just the implementation is difficult.

[–] Napain@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

i really enjoyed that