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I wouldn't be surprised if there's a patent Microsoft just hasn't been willing to license use of.
I remember when the Sixaxis came out. It was missing vibration. It was because Immersion sued Sony (and ultimately won) over patent infringement of rumble motors. Sony ended up having to pay somewhere around $100 million.
That's bizarre to me too. Everyone keeps praising the Xbox controllers for being the best and they don't even have gyro??
How is that bizarre? It‘s not exactly a widespread feature so most people don‘t care about it.
It's not widespread BECAUSE Microsoft refuses to include it in all their controllers. It's been a standard in Sony, Nintendo, and even some 3rd party controllers like 8bitdo.
Gyro has been present in Sony controllers since Dualshock 3. All of the Nintendo controllers I ever used had it. Steam deck has it. I honestly assumed it is a standard feature.
I‘ve have a PS3 and PS4 and can‘t think of a single game that uses this feature. When I say widespread I don’t mean the hardware, but how it is implemented in software.
GTA IV had it for PS3, I remember.
It did? How was this utilized?
It was optional to use, you could control leaning on bikes I remember but I never used the feature.
I decided to buy a good and expensive controller for my PC for the first time,
It‘s not exactly a widespread feature
Gyro has been present in Sony controllers since Dualshock 3.
Not many PC games natively support gyro, however, because most controllers that people have on the PC don't support it.
Yeah, it's an input that you can use to rig something up with Steam Input or some sort of macro software, but if you don't have a large proportion of the userbase with hardware support, game developers aren't going to put resources into native support, and without native support, most people won't use it, and if most people aren't going to use it, not a lot of incentive for game controller developers to support it.
Same thing for the haptic feedback and the force feedback triggers on the Playstation controllers. You can use them on the PC, theoretically, but just not much native support out there for them.
I kind of wish that there were some kind of standard, cross-platform, open-source software package that you could have games hook into on one end and controllers on the other, have a developer-provided profile, but let the package provide some kind of profile that does something reasonable for an arbitrary controller (or multiple controllers, think HOTAS) if the developer doesn't, and let game controller developers and players publish control scheme settings for games/controllers. Steam Input is kind of the closest thing to this, but is proprietary and tied to one distribution platform (Steam), which sort of sucks.
The sex toy crowd has something like this going on with buttplug.io -- which, ironically enough, can actually support linking games to game controllers with vibration, not just sex toys, but for some reason we haven't managed to get there with normal, actual game controller input. I kind of wish that given that they have their shit together enough to actually get something like this out there, that they'd rename the project to something uncontroversial like GameIO, support hooking up games to arbitrary output devices and input devices, and then expose an input layer to games. Have the option to use the game's provided profile by default, but also use a custom one.
Steam deck has it.
The Steam Deck is successful for what it is, and maybe one day it will have enough market share to be able to really drive game features, but as things stand, it's something like a percent.
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https://pocketmags.com/us/maximum-pc-magazine/february-2024/articles/1399340/steam-deck-oled
If you crunch the numbers and assume the Deck does indeed represent 40% of Linux users, which make up 1.97% of Steam users, then the Deck is used by 0.78% of all Steam users.
That's maybe the largest single bloc of people using a single specific non-mouse/keyboard input device on Steam, but it's still a very small portion of the overall PC user base.
All PC games support gyro if they're played with SteamAPI and the controller has gyro support. You can configure it however you want, it's just a controller function being bound to an input.
You can even add gyro support to games that never had it, like PS2 and GameCube games. Because, again, it's just a method of input.
Isn't xbox the only one that doesn't?
Yep games for Xbox don't have it because Xbox controllers don't have it.
People tend not to like gyro aim.
People are wrong, but I am not surprised.
whether they like it or not, it should still be included on a "premium" product, when the Wii U controllers had it!
Problem is that even on a premium product, cost is gonna be a factor. Well, and weight.
I can think of a bunch of features that could be supported in a controller. Problem is, not everyone is gonna want everything, and if they put it on the thing, everyone is gonna pay for it. On the XBox Elite Series 2:
Interchangeable thumbstick hats: Yes
Interchangeable D-pad hats: Yes
Interchangeable thumbsticks (a la the Thrustmaster eSwap): No
Rumble motors: Yes
Haptic force feedback (a la the Playstation's DualSense): No
Gyros (a la the Playstation's DualSense): No
Force-feedback triggers (a la the Playstation's DualSense): No
Hall Effect triggers: Yes
Hall Effect thumbsticks: No
Extra back buttons: Yes, 4
Extra face buttons (a la SCUF Envision): No
Force feedback thumbsticks: No (I'm not aware of anyone that makes these, but force feedback joysticks were once a real thing, useful with flight sims simulating pre-fly-by-wire aircraft, like the Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2)
Pressure-sensitive buttons (a la the Playstation's DualSense): No
Bluetooth LE: Yes
Wired: Yes
RGB LED: Yes (though apparently the XBox hasn't historically provided access to this and Steam Input does; I don't know if this has changed).
i get that, but adding a gyro is really, really minor, just a couple modules on a PCB
Unfortunately so much stuff on the web is astroturfed it’s hard to form a good opinion nowadays.
Even the products reviews or maybe especially these it’s hard to tell what is true nowadays and what is fiction or misinfo
Id love to brush it off and say eh just paranoid but there’s real money and motive.
Reddit was relatively good for some time but then I heard it’s already full of marketing
I bought that same controller and it's absolute garbage. It started developing multiple problems before I realized it was too late to use the warranty. The left bumper was inconsistent, the d-pad was wobbly (more give on one side than the other), and the right stick started drifting badly. Not to mention the basic, crappy software and connectivity issues. I tore it apart and tried every fix I could find but nothing helped. I wasted a lot of money for something that felt and looked really great, but was fucking awful otherwise.
Then I did a lot of research and found the Flydigi Vader 3 Pro. It has hall effect triggers and sticks, mechanical buttons, both C and Z buttons, triggers that could actually click, a gyro, a high poll rate, Nintendo Switch compatibility, and a lot more. It doesn't feel as premium as the XBES2 controller did in my hands, but it seems just as durable and it's less than half the cost. Don't let the look fool you. I HIGHLY recommend it.
8bitdo controllers are good. They care about making good input devices.
I highly recommend the Gulikit KK3 MAX, I think it has all the features of the Elite Series 2 and also Gyro and a lot more. And it's only $80.
Hey this one looks exactly like what I expected to get, thanks!
Hello friend. I use the brooks adapter on my xbone elite gen 1 for ps4. It adds gyro and touch pad click support.
Unfortunately it says it does not support the Elite series 2.
Maybe this one? https://www.brookaccessory.com/detail/43268489/
That one does appear to be compatible with the Elite 2, but I don't think either model supports motion control on PC, just PS4/5 and Nintendo Switch.