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Swedish music stars call for Israel Eurovision ban over Gaza (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 9 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/europe@feddit.de

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[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Might as well ban Germany alongside too. Our government claimed that the case brought forth by South Africa was "without any basis" the moment the hearing at the ICJ ended. Now that the ICJ has demanded preliminary measures and explicitly stated that the Palestinians are at a plausible risk of genocide, the government tried to spin-doctor it, that "without any basis" would be a normal way of communicating different opinions on a legal case. Oh and on the day of the hearing the German genocide against the Herero and Nama people in todays Namibia had it's 120 years anniversary. The German government did not deem it necessary to adress the fact in any formal way to Namibia or anyone else.

Except for 2018 the last decade was a total embarassement anyways and the spot should be taken by a country whose artists actually make it by ability instead of the spot being paid for.

[–] MrMakabar@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It is so typical of German governments to pretend that Germany is the worst in the world and to make up for it ends up helping facists. That was basically what happened with Russia with NordStream. It is also very much what seems to happen with Israel today. Obviously the creation of Israel was in a large part Germanys fault due to the Holocaust and Germany has a moral obligation to make up for it. However that should mean no more genocides and not do everything for Israel, including supporting a government, which openly calls for genocide in parts.

[–] brainrein@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

We should have made up for it by giving a part of Germany to European Jews who wanted a state of their own. The Allies should have made us doing so.

[–] Avero@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Germany is one of the biggest humanitarian donators and took many refugees from the region. The foreign ministry refused to call it a Holocaust - which is just on another level. The commitee of the Herero and Nama also critisized the critique on germany as populistic and without legal basis and double standard. The defense of Israel is a state doctrine, also based on history, so it might be a little more complicated than a simple good and bad.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

Germany is also a major supplier of weapons and military tech to Israel. This includes donating submarines, where the specs are secret, but it is likely submarines capeable of launching nuclear missiles.

Most of the humanitarian infrastructure got destroyed by Israel multiple times and Germany also announced to stop UNRWA funding over the allegations against 10 former UNRWA employees. Nobody demanded them to speak of "Holocaust" in relationship to Gaza, but acknowledging that it is possible that Israel ist intending to commit genocide, is commiting genocide and most definetely has been commiting a great deal of war crimes, is repeatedly rejected by the German government.

The "state doctrine" shows exactly where the problem lies. Germany is using Israel as "proof" of having learned from its past and is happy to commit and help commiting atrocities in the name of Israel. Jews that are critical of Israel are excluded from public discourse, are excluded from arts and culture, have their rights to demonstrations taken away, are accused of antisemitism and in one case also jailed for demonstrating against Israels war on Gaza. So the German government is even commiting many acts of antisemitism while claiming to defend people from antisemitism. Also antisemitism that is rampant in Germanys mainstream society is defendend and pushed under the rug, while trying to paint antisemitism as an issue "imported" through migration from muslim countries.

Here is an articel that goes in depth about it, and provides numerous examples. For instance the former head of the interior intelligence, that is supposed to fight political extremism has been initially defended by the federal anti-antisemitism officer. Meanwhile he was and still is spurting antisemitic conspiracies on twitter.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-strange-logic-of-germanys-antisemitism-bureaucrats

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago

I didn't know about this, thanks for bringing attention to it.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 23 points 9 months ago

Very good, we need more of that. Countries which openly and actively do genocide should at least feel that the world thinks it's not OK.

[–] nx2@feddit.de 23 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I know it's not really about Eurovision, but honestly who cares about Eurovision

[–] cleanandsunny@literature.cafe 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

But seriously, it’s the gay musical Olympics, what’s not to love? (Unless you’re from Germany/UK in which it’s a point of national pride to dismiss Eurovision, lol?)

[–] Sodis@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No, Germany loves to watch Eurovision, we don't care, that our own country sucks all the time. By now it's more of a meme and people are betting, how bad it's gonna be this year.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I, for one, think that given the recent history and the farce that was the Electric Callboy situation we should from now on send metal acts with steadily increasing levels of heavyness until Europe capitulates.

(The "Electric Callboy situation" was the NDR judging that this song was "not suited for radio play". It's one of the most eurovision things ever produced. German radio stations commented the situation by playing it on heavy rotation)

[–] cleanandsunny@literature.cafe 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh yeah that whole thing was so absurd. Like…it’s so radio friendly, I don’t get it?!? And God they are so good too!! Saw them live last year, one of the most energetic shows I’ve ever seen, period! Germany has so much great music.

[–] cleanandsunny@literature.cafe 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Glad to hear y’all are having fun with it! Truly, last year’s results surprised me and made me think Germany might actually be cursed…

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Agreed. That song was great! It absolutely deserved to come in the top 15 or so. https://youtu.be/5I9CYu668jA

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm British and we're obsessed with Eurovision, we also enjoy losing.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Ohhhhhh, so that's why you guys like playing Cricket with Australia

[–] cleanandsunny@literature.cafe 2 points 9 months ago

This is such a great way of putting it! Gave me a chuckle.

[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 20 points 9 months ago

The entire country of sweden

[–] stalfoss@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

I don’t care about it, but 162 million people watched it last year 🤷

[–] 520@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

My girlfriend goes absolutely nuts for it. We tune into the national selections.

The songs are usually pretty good and it's cute AF to see her getting worked up.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

who cares about Eurovision

Lmao are you joking

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Simply removing them on the grounds of not being European should be easy enough and have happened as soon as they were let it. Same with Australia.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So you also want to kick out all the Arab states because they're "not European"? The EBU has always included the whole Mediterranean. It has Arab founding members.

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And what's that supposed to achieve, besides appeasing your xenophobia?

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with Xenophobia? You a liberal throwing around baseless accusations?

Not that I care about the political show of Eurovision, but it's made for Europe. Meaning only Europeans should participate.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Not that I care about the political show of Eurovision, but it’s made for Europe. Meaning only Europeans should participate.

It is made by the EBU, for its broadcasting area. That has always, since the very start, included the whole of the Mediterranean.

Not to mention that musically the Arabs are deeply intertwined with Europe due to millennia of cultural exchange over the highway called the Mediterranean. Morocco participated in 1980, but generally Arabs boycott the contest because Israel participates -- but that doesn't make them non-members of the EBU.

What, in the everloving fuck, but xenophobia could make you want to kick out founding members of the EBU. Do you also want to kick out Turkey? When you have a party and your direct neighbour wants to come, and traditionally was part of it, do you suddenly decide to slam the door into their face saying "you live on the wrong side of the backyard pool"?

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nice speech, but I do not care.

Yes I'd kick Turkey out too. As much as Turks want to pretend, they're not European either.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok xenophobia it is, then. You are literally advocating to ethnically purify the EBU.

Shall we also kick the Spaniards, Greeks and practically all of the Balkan out because their music is too "oriental", not adequate for your refined northwestern European taste?

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Liberal really throwing a fit here. European is European. An European event is by definition for Europeans.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The EBU is called the European Broadcasting Union because it's centred around Europe. Not because it is European. In the geographic sense, it never was. Which I explained amply.

Just looked through your comment history and apparently you even think you're a leftist while overtaking LePen on the right. So get out of here, Strasserite or Nazbol or whatever you are.

[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Overtaking LePen on the right. Yeah right. Funny talk coming from a liberal. How about you get your shitty ass out of here before you "accidentally" empower some fascists again.

I'm more against the right than you could ever dream to be.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

They're part of EBU. Eurovision is an EBU thing.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

what if they choose someone who sings about wanting a two state solution

[–] arymandias@feddit.de 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They’re not gonna. The broadcaster that represents Israel in Eurovision even shared a song on twitter with children singing “Within a year we will annihilate everyone” in Gaza. Before deleting it fearing it would make them complicit in genocide.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/20/israeli-children-singing-annihilate-gaza/

[–] sqgl 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Good to see it didn't spread beyond this small fascist group: "The Civil Front".

Civil?

"The movement is non-political in nature" Oh really?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 9 months ago

Everyone should turn up but only sing songs about how Israel are a bunch of cunts.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That’s a lot of Swedish music stars who will not be allowed entry into the US, UK or Germany, where their statements are classified as antisemitism under the IHRA definition. They can still tour Cuba and Venezuela, though.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If the powers that be are successful in redefining Jewishness into alliance with Israel, then Jews really will be bad. Their laws will create millions new antisemites on the left. Let's hope nobody listens to that BS

[–] sqgl 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You are being negative. I see the Cooker Nationalists holding hands and uniting with the Hippie Socialists. Hey, we could call it the National Socialists! /s

[–] mars296@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm American so I have never followed Eurovision. I always assumed it was European only. Are there many none European countries that participate? The USA doesn't right?

[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

Australia is in the contest. Do what you want with that info.

[–] Vittelius@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

The Eurovision Song Contest is organized by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) an organization set up to regulate TV tech. In short they exist to make sure a TV bought in Spain also works in Sweden. As such the EBU also grants full membership to countries that are not part of Europe but have strong economic ties with the continent and therefore are part of the European Broadcasting Area. That's how we got Israel in the contest. Australia also competes because (a) they are an associate member (b) they have an long history of airing the contest even before they competed (c) they spend a large sum of money every year to make the EBU forget where exactly Australia is located.

The US doesn't participate but a couple of years ago NBC bought the rights and tried to mount an "American Song Contest". It didn't work all that well because it was hamstrung by the rigid structure of American network TV. The ESC works (in part) because it is three nights only and they tried to make an entire season of television.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Israel's participation in Eurovision is part of a deliberate effort to brand the country as essentially European. This is desirable for reasons relating to white supremacy and all the genocides European countries got away with scot-free

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you think that Mediterranean countries aren't essentially European I don't know what to tell you either. And that's before considering the heavily Ashkenazi influence over at least early Israel. One of the EU's official languages even is Semitic.

[–] fololzidos@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Is this some bot hallucinating? Israel is a white supremacist settler colony founded by Europeans. Maybe colonialism is essentially European, but I’d like to believe we moved past that.

Apart from that, most of Turkey and the entire Levant are in Asia. Other Mediterranean countries are in North Africa. Tell me who in their right mind would say that Syria or Egypt are essentially European?

Finally, there is no language called ‘Semitic‘, it is a language family. ~~No Semitic language is an official EU language.~~ The EU doesn’t even have anything to do with Eurovision.

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No Semitic language is an official EU language.

Maltese

[–] fololzidos@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Indeed! Maybe I’m the bot

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