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I've tried using it over the years but I never liked it because there was no information. So last night I looked at my local city and there is almost no information at all. I spent a few hours last night adding buildings and restaurants and removing incorrect items. It was actually kind of fun and therapeutic and I plan to do more of it tonight. My girlfriend thinks it's dumb and I'm wasting my time because Google maps and Apple maps and Bing maps exists but she just doesn't understand open source.

Edit: Apologies, I just realized this question is not Linux specific.

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[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've been editing OSM for years. (896,339 edits in 3,427 changesets, apparently!) For me, it's all about the free data. I once got a thank you note from someone who worked for a city with a particularly large municipal park. I'd added almost all the trails to the park and other information, and they'd used it to produce a printed map for the general public. Exactly the kind of thing I'd hoped for!

Personally, I do a lot of dualsport motorcycling and most backcountry maps around here are subpar. I map tons of trails and 2track and put them on the Garmin so I know where I'm going.

OSM is also great in lots of Europe--tons of detail.

JOSM is great.

Someone just recommended Organic Maps for the phone--it's way snappier than Google Maps, but still not great with finding addresses.

[–] Coeus@coeus.sbs 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What an awesome story to hear. I've been playing around with Organic Maps on my phone. I'll have to look into JOSM.

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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah. Story time:

In the England we have ancient rights-of-way laws but a lot of private landowners try to block footpaths that cross their land. If a landowner can argue a footpath hasn't been used in (I think) two years they can have it removed, but in 2025 all the existing footpaths will be made permanent and indelible except with explicit local government permission so between now and then a lot of landowners will be rushing to get paths removed.

I've made a point of walking every footpath in my area and making sure they're all documented on OSM. If any of the landowners try to get a path removed I have my GPS tracks as proof of use.

Edit: FWIW, I find OSM to be the best map for rambling. Google and Apple don't come close and OSM even gives Ordinance Survey a run for it's money.

[–] booklovero@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

That's really nice! Thank you for your service!

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[–] anteaters@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

https://streetcomplete.app/ is a fun way to contribute to OSM and do something else instead of just "walking" if you want to get outside a bit.

[–] klz@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

This is what I use! It's like RPG quests in real life but about really boring subjects. Eg. What surface is the pavement on a nearby street. Or is there a bin next to this bus stop

[–] nix@merv.news 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you know of a similar app for iOS?

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Marxine@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

This is really neat and you just gave me my new hobby, thank you!

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[–] JaxiiRuff@pawb.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OSM is an awesome project I agree it is fun contributing to it but it is not as useful yet due to what you describe, details.

Finding addresses and other specific information is very hit or miss in some areas. Especially in the US where no one really cares about it other than tech corporations using it for quick info like street layouts.

My entire city has address numbers missing and for a long time I used an app on my phone (StreetComplete) to fix address numbers and other various details. But it can be overwhelming very quickly depending on how outdated or not updated your place is. Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time by the way.

[–] abeorch@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Try Everydoor as well. Another StreetComplete like App that's great for adding simple items

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

OSM is huge for backcountry. Hiking trails, skiing, etc. There is nothing better.

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[–] matricaria@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes I use OSM almost exclusively and have contributed to it.

Where I live, in Germany, OSM is pretty much on the same level as Google Maps and way better than Apple Maps. Sometimes there is outdated info but you can quickly correct it. Sometimes I double check stuff with GM. Some information is even better than GM. But I think Germany has a pretty strong OSM community, at least in my city.

I use Organic Maps on iOS.

[–] schmurian@lsmu.schmurian.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Same here. I downloaded it recently to have a look and just realized how easy it is to update information for places that I frequently visit. What I like about that is that I can add information isn‘t listed in any map, because shop owners other people responsible don‘t bother (yes, people like this exist).

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[–] MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Currently at 319 contributions on OpenStreetMap since the 22 of December 2022 some part of south Italy are not mapped at all so I'm trying my best to make at least usable.

If someone want to contribute to osm StreetComplete let you add simple tags to already existing tags and let you add stores with a monstrous simplicity!

Anyway tell your girlfriend that apple maps and bing maps use data from openstreet map and are huge contributors to the project, in fact the default map when you edit in osm is from bing!

[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I regularly use OSM data through Organic Maps (mostly for larger European cities). The app is really polished and is a joy to use. So far I'm not missing any features from Google Maps.

I've also updated some faulty business hours for some restaurants so I guess I've contributed back.

E: With the recent developments in the world of free online services (YouTube blocking ad-blockers, Google lying to their customers about its TrueView ads, Twitter rate limiting free access, the Reddit API fiasco), I wonder how much longer we can take free services like Google Maps for granted. Having an open alternative may become even more important in the future.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have done 14k edits over six years. I too like it for being therapeutic. I'd rather do micro-edita on osm than play another level of candy crush. Same kind of reward but you are also helping out creating something larger!

Honestly though, I don't think osm will ever catch up to the commercial alternatives. Mostly because their harsh stance against automatic edits (and lack of version control). Also the lack of standardization is a problem. It's very hard to create client applications because the data is structured way different in different regions.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I don’t think the aim is necessarily to compete against commercial alternatives but rather to have a backstop/fallback if/when they fail.

Also don’t forget LOTS of commercial providers use OSM data for their mapping. So eventually a lot of the data does make it into people’s hands.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I moved in St Lucia, a small Caribbean island (~620km) few years ago.

Openstreetmap already had a lot of information but nothing on the land use (forest, field ...). So over almost a year I've worked on it to add all the forest using satellite imagery. Most of the community names were missing so I've also added around 100 names and plenty of roads and buildings.

I've also started to add all the rivers and stream using public data but this is still underway.

https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?BPierrick This tell me that I've done almost 100k changes on St Lucia map. It really helped me to get a better knowledge of the island.

[–] nix@merv.news 3 points 1 year ago

Hey, fyi you included your username in that link which could potentially dox you

[–] dedale@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Where I live it's much more complete than google maps, especially in the countryside.

[–] palitu@lemmy.perthchat.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use it all the time with OSMand. and i have contributed to OSM for years. I just had a look - i start in Sep 2010 (13 years!) and all of my edits (except for a humanitarian tracing excersice for mozambique) i have been to. it is a niice spread:

[–] pietervdvn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Ooohh!! Please, post a bit in the lemmy community as well.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

I have updated a dirt road to asphalt.

[–] Janis@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

you like lemmy? it works because ppl contribute. osm...same! try https://streetcomplete.app and contribute!!!

[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I downloaded it earlier today and went for a 1hr walk and submitted over 60 contributions. It's kinda addictive.

I love that you don't need constant internet connection to use it.

Thanks for the recommendation!

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[–] No1@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At one stage, all street names were removed from my city because of changes to the license osm was using. And my suburb was blank. I got on my bike with the app on my phone, and mapped it all over about 3 leisurely rides. And I can say I've been past every house in my suburb at least once 😁

I also have found it better for offroad riding and walking. Also did some track mapping offroad too.

[–] zlatiah@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yes and yes! Couldn't contribute that much but I try to

I think having a highly important FOSS project that is not controlled by a company known for shutting down many of its beloved products (I'm talking about you Google) is pretty nice...

Also I think map quality is location-dependent. I live in a large metropolitan area in Southern US; OSM is usable, but there are no house/building numbers, and a good number of businesses are missing. In contrast I think the map is a lot better in Chicago which is a lot more pedestrian-friendly? Also, when I looked at Germany it seems OSM is on-par or better than Google Maps... in fact one of the larger rental websites use OSM instead of Google Maps (imagine Zillow doing it in US lol)

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I use, and contribute to it, quite often.

In fact, just a few months ago I added the 90% missing houses and buildings from my city (of 200,000), which took about 60 hours 😂 Totally worth it.

Keep in mind that not only do OpenStreetMap users benefit from the maps, but so do users of countless other map providers and services that rely on OSM data. 👌

[–] bino@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Back in the old days I used an external GPS mouse connected to my phone via Bluetooth to track streets, writing down notes on every way point to later publish everything. Today still have of this area is there to look it up and I enjoy it everytime I

[–] larmicon@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been contributing to it via Street complete (can get it on fdroid) and it has become quite a hobby of mine.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I travel quite a bit, both for work and for pleasure, so when I have an hour or two to burn I take a walk around and make some contribution with StreetComplete.
It seems like I've found a new way of being a tourist.

[–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm curious where you live that there isn't much mapping data. I've used StreetComplete for a few years, everywhere I've been wherever I've travelled all over the world. Wherever I go, there's already so much data and it's already so detailed, that the only stuff StreetComplete can give me is "what kind of paving stones are used on this sidewalk?" and "how many floors are in this apartment building 3 blocks away?"

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[–] Odo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am actually going to a mapathon event in my city this weekend, so yea, there's an active community of people making their surroundings more accurate on OSM.

[–] Coeus@coeus.sbs 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never knew such a thing existed. What a great idea.

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[–] ClumsyTomato@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use it quite often, but only recently began contributing. And as they (very) wisely say at the bottom of the wiki (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions):

WARNING: OpenStreetMap is highly addictive Take frequent breaks, there is a lot to be done.

[–] jman6495@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I've been contributing a lot via StreetComplete, what is also great is that you can use OSM offline!

[–] Eudaimonia@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I started with street complete, an app that lets you contribute/ fill out stuff in a playfull way, makes it a lot easier! Also OpenStreetMap is better in some things than g-maps e.g. for cycling roads, people with special needs or if you want to know where e.g. benches or waterplaces are

[–] tallpaul@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

BTW there's now an OSM community !openstreetmap@lemmy.ml

[–] kbity@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

OsmAnd actually works pretty well in my experience, at least in the UK. It's not always up to date or fully-detailed but it's far from useless and I appreciate that. It's my primary map program on my phone.

[–] bbbhltz 2 points 1 year ago

I use it and contribute when I can.

I edit with JOSM and OsmAnd. I learn by doing and keep things very local: adding street numbers, marking shops as disused, updating opening hours, Facebook pages, etc.

I also find it calming. I might do some tonight now that you mention it.

[–] redw0rm@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Here in kerala ( a small state in india ), we have a project called Mapathon Keralam. They work with engineering colleges to map out nearby places as well as any place in general. Had contributed few places myself. So pretty much all places in kerala are now mapped in it :)

[–] tallpaul@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We update it a lot. We also have a product (for UK walkers) called WayMaps (used by a variety of walking web sites in the UK and also our own demo site https://waymaps.the-hug.net/) which uses the geodata from OSM and other Open Data to produce our own map tiles. We love OSM.

[–] EugeneNine@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I use it a lot. I'm finding things like hiking trails are more up to date than Google maps

[–] pietervdvn@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Hi! Wrong sub? No worries, our ~~subreddit~~community is right here as well!

Did you also know that Apple Maps and Bing Maps use OSM data too in some areas, for some types of categories? Bing even has cloned an OSM-editing program.

Furthermore, you can use https://mapcomplete.osm.be to add shops or other POI. (Obligatory shill as I'm the main dev of that one ;) )

[–] codenul@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup!

I have switched from Google Maps to Here we go for years now and been loving it

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[–] isilv3rbull3t@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Contributed a very little. Been using it ina Top metro city for .ore than a year. Heavily reliable.

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use organic maps, they are very good

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