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[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 79 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard of. I'm not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key. There's enough Linux-first vendors these days that it's easy to avoid (Framework, System76, Tuxedo, etc). It's time to be done with Lenovo and Dell.

[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key.

Which is exactly what people said about the Windows key.

Now it's all but impossible to buy a keyboard that doesn't have it. Worse, most of us use it without thinking.

Sure you can call it Super if you like, and even have a Tux key-cap on it, but there used to be a literal gap between the Alt keys and their Ctrl brethren in the lateral directions away from the space bar, and those days are long gone.

There'll be the niche users who stick with old keyboards without this new key, just like there are the die-hards who have stuck resolutely to the old IBM keyboards and the like from pre-1995, but if you want a new keyboard?

Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.

(Shoutout to the Context Menu key which went as unmentioned in the above as it goes unused in day to day use, despite having been included with its Super cousin since day one.)

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.

I don't think this is true. Just buy a laptop from a company that ships it with Linux. No Windows, no Windows keys. It doesn't have to be 'custom'.

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[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

I fully agree with you, but Framework is definitely not Linux-first. The only OS they offer preloaded on their laptops is Windows. You have to install Linux yourself if you want it.

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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 71 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Do people actually want this?

Like, I know the megacorps that control our lives do (since it's a cheap way of adding value to their products), but what about actual users? I think many see it as a novelty and a toy rather than a productivity tool. Especially when public awareness of "hallucinations" and the plight faced by artists rises.

Kinda feels like the whole "voice controlled assistants" bubble that happened a while ago. Sure they are relatively commonplace nowadays, but nowhere near as universal as people thought they would be.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

Do people actually want this?

Absolutely not. But this is the new standard now.

[–] Awhiskeydrunker@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago

Maybe I'm a pessimist but this is going to really resonate with the people who are "looking forward to AI" because they read headlines, but haven't actually used any LLMs yet because nobody has told them how.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

I want a voice controlled assistant that runs locally and is fully FOSS and I can just run on my bog standard linux PC, hardware minimum requirements nonwithstanding

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Another key to bind to something else? Hell yeah

[–] humanplayer2@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nope, just a new logo on an existing key.

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[–] coolin 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Current LLMs are manifestly different from Cortana (🤢) because they are actually somewhat intelligent. Microsoft's copilot can do web search and perform basic tasks on the computer, and because of their exclusive contract with OpenAI they're gonna have access to more advanced versions of GPT which will be able to do more high level control and automation on the desktop. It will 100% be useful for users to have this available, and I expect even Linux desktops will eventually add local LLM support (once consumer compute and the tech matures). It is not just glorified auto complete, it is actually fairly correlated with outputs of real human language cognition.

The main issue for me is that they get all the data you input and mine it for better models without your explicit consent. This isn't an area where open source can catch up without significant capital in favor of it, so we have to hope Meta, Mistral and government funded projects give us what we need to have a competitor.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Sure, all that may be true but it doesn't answer my original concern: Is this something that people want as a core feature of their OS? My comments weren't that "oh, this is only as technically sophisticated as voice assistants", it was more "voice assistants never really took off as much as people thought they would". I may be cynical and grumpy, but to me it feels like these companies are failing to read the market.

I'm reminded of a presentation that I saw where they were showing off fancy AI technology. Basically, if you were in a call 1 to 1 call with someone and had to leave to answer the doorbell or something, the other person could keep speaking and an AI would summarise what they said when they got back.

It felt so out of touch with what people would actually want to do in that situation.

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[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 47 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh "great", more crap between Ctrl and Alt.

[Grumpy grandpa] In my times, the space row only had five keys! And we did more than those youngsters do with eight, now nine keys!

[–] ipsirc@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

In my time it was also nine. Back to the roots. ;->

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard

[–] giloronfoo 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

From the picture, it's just the context menu key with a new key cap.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago

That's still a new key for some people. My laptop doesn't have a context key, for example.

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[–] Stillhart@lemm.ee 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is Clippy v2.0 and I'm sure it will be just as helpful.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 42 points 10 months ago

They've learned from their mistakes, and concluded that Clippy failed because there was no Clippy key.

[–] risencode@lemmy.ml 34 points 10 months ago

That's funny, because getting an ad for Copilot inside my startmenu was actually what made me go back to Linux after 10 years.

This tracks.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 10 months ago

So you can pressed accidentally activating the fucking AI and make the numbers go up so Microsoft can then go and say to investors look millions are using my AI. So annoying.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why? Win+C launches Copilot already, if you want to use it. It's simple enough currently, why change it? This will just make everything worse.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Really milking that fad before they inevitably push anything useful behind a monthly paywall.

[–] init@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

As long as the ability to manually turn off secureboot and remove the OS isn't locked behind a subscription...

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I am getting flashbacks to the multimedia keyboards on yesteryear:

https://deskthority.net/wiki/Multimedia_keyboard

Thanks MS, but no thanks, I don't need it.

[–] pipows@lemmy.today 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I love these, it has actual useful keys

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 months ago

I will admit that the volume wheel was awesome

[–] NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

yeah, the media controls are actually useful.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] ipsirc@lemmy.ml 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Woo-hoo! Secondary hyper modifier key - can't wait!!!

[–] Octorine@midwest.social 20 points 10 months ago

Soon we'll be able to emacs the way the developers intended.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 20 points 10 months ago

Yay! I petition to call it Duper

[–] shiveyarbles 21 points 10 months ago

They're really pushing this AI shit fr

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

how the fuck can they just decide this

[–] sarchar@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Probably through licensing agreements with PC retailers.

But you can also just decide not to buy them.

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft is a monopoly. Stallman was right, as usual in software

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[–] ulkesh 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

As long as it’s treated like a media key and not an intrusion of the standard, then I couldn’t care less. It’s a stupid idea, but Microsoft is so often full of those.

Edit> And after reading the article…of course MS is intruding on the standard just like they did with the windows key, but at least that one was turned into “meta” or “super”. I guess this will guarantee I won’t buy another MS keyboard.

[–] Reil 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

On the other hand... Super Duper Key.

[–] ulkesh 7 points 10 months ago
[–] pixelscript@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

It's Microsoft, intrusion of standards is their entire M.O.

It's the "extend" in "embrace, extend, extinguish".

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 10 months ago

Lol fuck off Microdong.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is copilot another windows app I'll need to uninstall? Thanks for the heads up!

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago

It should be the reason to switch to Linux, finally, again.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Time to buy some more of those little Tux keyboard superkey stickers :)

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Can't help but think about how Facebook inc rebranded itself to Meta to chase/promote the metaverse fad.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So it disappears without Windows?

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess we'll have to find a use for that new key on Linux, and Linux laptop vendors will end up with some alternative symbol for it...

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[–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Just make it remapable (is that a word?) and I don't really care

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