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Does the reddit style format inherently make for a toxic environment? Or is it a culture of toxicity from the influx of reditors? For lack of a beter example, on stackoverflow, when someone down votes you, it comes with a comment saying how to improve. On mastodon, people can't downvote you. These platforms are a joy to use, lemmy is depressing if you post. Its depressing because every post or comment, no mater the quality comes with downvotes, and usually no criticism to accompany it, you are left not knowing if youve made a mistake, or if its just trolls, bots, or idiots. At the end you feel insulted not improved. What do you think?

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[–] borlax@lemmy.borlax.com 3 points 1 year ago

Yearning for affirmations via fake internet points is the toxic part, not the format of a website.

[–] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mastodon was very depressing for me, this follower centric self presentation stuff is super not my style, it don't want it to be about me, I most likely suck but I say smart things some times, so I want it to be about the stuff I say.

Plus I don't mind being downvoted into oblivion. I actually think that this can be a good thing. It means that there was something at least controversial about what I posted so I might be wrong or have to argue better.

Lastly, mastodon is too much safe space and filter bubble. I want to read things from people that I disagree with and I want to argue with them in good faith. When I tried this on mastodon, I got misquoted, blocked, harassed... You name it.

[–] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your insight!

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For lack of a beter example, on stackoverflow, when someone down votes you, it comes with a comment saying how to improve. ... These platforms are a joy to use

I don't know what part of the internet you are from, but where I am from, Stackoverflow is looked down on as the quintessential example of toxic behaviour.

I've found some of the most dismissive people in tiny stack exchange groups, and experienced similar unexplained downvotes.

What SO, Reddit, and Lemmy maybe all have in common I think, is people tend to agree or disagree based on their convictions, as opposed to agreeing or disagreeing as a means of interaction.

I guess this puts the conflict and disagreement front and center. But at least then I know where people stand.

Perhaps it's important to not take opinions too personally, and remember that incencere agreement has its own problems.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just post what you want to post and ignore the votes. A few downvotes is to be expected. Try not to read into them so much.

[–] Ggtfmhy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Alternative way to think about it: 10% of people are insufferable assholes. Do you want them to be happy with what you say?

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Someone praising Stack Overflow, that's a new one. The most criticized thing about SO is the toxicity and elitism of the users. Downvoting almost always comes with no explanation there.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think the format had anything to do with it, considering it was much more like Lemmy is now when I first joined 11 years ago and I've seen the same decline in other social mediums that didn't share formats as Reddit. It's just what happens when you get enough people together in one place. The abundance of dumb fucks and bad actors simply take over.

[–] Scooter411@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not trying to be negative here with you - but anyone complaining about downvoted will often get another downvote from me. Say what you want to say, stand by your convictions, and don’t worry about what the internet thinks about that.

[–] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not upset of complaining, I'm observing and philosophizing, this has been an intellectual pursuit, thanks for the reply

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a problem of an Eternal September. Reddit was set up where the downvote was supposed to mean more than just disagreeing with people, but the influx of users, especially those only participating with Reddit by upvoting and downvoting, couldn't be taught what you were supposed to do.

[–] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Eternal September

i genuinely love that i had to look that up, and i learned something! Thanks!

[–] slimsalm@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Imo, downvotes is just a disagreement. Being offended by it sounds like a "you" problem, we all have to deal with it.

Upvotes normally give me answers I need for at that moment. Downvotes makes me reassess myself.

I dont think you must read to much into the downvotes. Understand the situation why people might have downvoted you, understand why other people get upvoted, assess the situation. And most of all, understand that not everybody will always agree with you

[–] ghostwolf@lemmy.fakeplastictrees.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

During my time on reddit, I've learnt to appreciate downvotes. Silent feedback is much better than passive-aggressive replies that serve no purpose other than letting the person vent out.

[–] Steve@compuverse.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm thinking you care too much about the thoughtless reactions of anonymous strangers.
Remember... In this game, the points don't matter.

[–] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

its strange because its not the disapproval that gets me, its not knowing why. I guess the lesson is that if someone did not even say why, its not really something anyone actually cared about.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Downvotes are not a reflection on you, they are a representation of how much everyone else agrees or disagrees.

I don't personally want the downvotes hidden or removed like how it is on Youtube.

[–] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they did remove downvotes on youtube tho :(

This is why I'm in favor. I'm not the hugest fan, but if the alternative is YouTube or facebooks like system then I'll take the downvotes. Otherwise you get the low quality like farms where minions memes are uploaded everywhere and there's no way to say "we hate these, stop posting them"

[–] Chrisosaur@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People breed toxicity, especially if you disagree with them. The more people a site has, the shittier it is. People suck.

[–] Gorbachof@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your opinion makes me angry 😑

[–] Chrisosaur@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck you. Imma tear down your fucking walls, Gorbachof.

[–] Fthisguy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna fuck down your tearing walls gorbachof.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only place on here that I've noticed downvotes is on comments that have been obviously social media shills (reddit or meta) or right wing type comments that are not the type of thing a community should support in my opinion. I'm not saying you're doing either of those things and if you're being downvoted in another context I don't know why.

That said, downvotes shouldn't really get you down. If you've said something awful then you deserve them and should reassess your outlook if you were unaware that your views or attitude were unpleasant. If you're getting downvoted on a tech related thing then I don't know what that's all about but I would try not to worry about it too much because it doesn't really affect your life, it's just a fake internet down arrow.

[–] Joe_0237@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you, interestingly the thing that prompted me to ask was a tech joke, all (4) down-votes, I removed a jab at Apple and added a picture and the the responses was positive. The lesson must be one of these: That we have mostly strong apple fans here; jokes need a picture even if it does not add anything; or people look at the vote total to decide their mindset while reading and the first vote was down by bad luck. Or some combination of these.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Oooooh yeah people love their apple and I think you have your answer!

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