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As we all know, Roblox is garbage tier gameplay structured around psychological cues to get children to fill an endless pit with fake money bought with real money.

So I banned my kid from it. He used it a little bit socially with a few friends of his. What online or local multiplayer games should I help him to replace it with? (He's 10, so please don't recommend Diablo 4 or anything else that has quite that much gore)

He and his friends have an Xbox Series X|S at home.

Edit: keep your judgemental shit out of here. His whole social group (5 kids he knows from school) got banned on the same day. Me and the other parents are trying to be nice and replace it with better quality games so it isn't just a punishment.

Edit2: Thanks guys. I got him Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 88 points 10 months ago (5 children)

For everyone saying OP should let their kid play Roblox and just ban spending money... just no.

Roblox exploits child labor for profit and they have terrible scummy business practices. If you have even marginal ethical qualms about child labor and/or capitalistic exploitation of vulnerable people, you should be keeping yourself and your family away from Roblox. In your mind they should be in the same category as multilevel marketing, crypto scams and door-to-door religion peddlers.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Roblox really is the lowest of the low.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I actually think it's fair to call them child predators. They're exploiting kids for money instead of sexual gratification, but it's the same power dynamic. Child exploitation is their business model.

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[–] Arkenbon@pawb.social 64 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Terraria, for something crafty-buildy with combat and very cartoony/2d blood and gore. 1-8 players.

Don't Starve Together, survival crafting in a hand-drawn Tim Burton-esque style. 2-6 players.

Awesomenauts, 3v3 fast paced competitive game in the style of Saturday morning cartoons. 3-6 players.

Deep Rock Galactic, coop shooter where you play space dwarves and shoot bugs while doing missions together. Gore may be a bit strong for your liking, but it's very stylized and only against bugs and robots. 1-4 players.

Risk of Rain 2, shooter where you try and escape a planet together with lots of different ways to play. 1-4 players.

Age of Empires 2, old school fast-paced medieval strategy game modernized with new graphics and such. 1-8 players.

Valheim, viking survival crafty buildy game in which you explore and conquer a dangerous world together. 1-10 players.

Cassette Beasts, technically not multi-player yet but they're adding it as a free update January. It's a Pokémon-esque game where you'll all be trainers in the same overworld together capturing beasts and taking down challenges together. 1-8 players when it comes out.

All of these games are rated T for teen, but it sounds more like you're opposed to M rated violence and language than T levels. They're all also insular in that this friend group doesn't need to involve other people to play together and can either play with or against each other or the computer.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some really solid recommendations here. Thanks a ton. I've heard of Deep Rock Galactic but it didn't pop into mind. And Risk of Rain 2 looks great.

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Self hosted Minecraft server for socializing. Mod the shit out of it

Factorio if you want your kid to have a severe addiction.

Red Alert 2 because I want the world to play it.

Ace Combat because it's hype and plays well with a controller.

Bloons tower defense

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 29 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You could try Dungeons and dragons. It could be fun for his friend group.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 18 points 10 months ago

I wish someone had taught my friends and me how to play D&D when I was 10, but my parents were part of the "satanic panic" generation, and had zero interest in anything to do with fantasy or improv. Once you get out of highschool, finding a night that everyone can meet up for D&D gets exponentially harder, let alone finding someone who wants to put in the time to DM.

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.ml 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Minecraft / Terraria, 100%. Both games have available co-op, so they can play with their friends, and allow quite a bit of creative expression. Terraria is made by some of the best indie devs ever, if it helps, having been getting free updates for years, even though the devs said they had finished the game years ago.

For a more socially open experience, I could also recommend Sea of Thieves. It's a game about manning a pirateship and collecting loot, where you can sometimes run into real people on their own adventures (or get your ship sunk by them, after all, they're also pirates). There is co-op, too. A cash shop is available, but all items are strictly cosmetic, with many items available through gameplay alone.

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[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

yeah java minecraft (NOT BEDROCK) is great, you can mod the shit out of it too on a pc.

[–] 520@kbin.social 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Minecraft is pretty good for this kind of stuff, especially Java Edition (has mods, and loooooads of servers, some of which also use mods to drastically alter the gameplay. You can also host your own, free of charge).

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I prefer the java version, myself. But my kid doesn't have a pc just yet - he's limited to consoles and ipad for now.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My oldest kid (6yo) is currently having fun with Goat Simulator ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and yes, I bought the expansions.

He doesn't play online yet, but I have Minecraft on the PS4 so that may be an option later on.

Other options I can think of that would be appropriate and multiplayer

  • Rocket League
  • Fall Guys
  • Party Animals
  • Portal 2
  • Astroneer
  • Human Fall Flat
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Minecraft Java. Minecraft bedrock is full of microtransactions, and we both dislike those.

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[–] Templa 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Maybe it would be cool to ask which games they used to play on Roblox and we could suggest alternatives to those too!

If they are into farming games I'd recommend Stardew Valley, in addition to other games already recommended.

Edit: Many games I wanted to recommend are PC only. 🥲

Edit2: I just saw someone else's post about the social circle being of 5 which makes Stardew Valley more difficult, oof

[–] gunpachi@lemmings.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some games you could consider -

  1. Krunker
  2. Minecraft java edition
  3. Stardew valley
  4. Terraria
  5. Starbound
  6. Dorfromantik
  7. Cities skyline
  8. Goat simulator
[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Couple of issues with this list:

  • OP said their son in his friends use Xbox Series X/S, so that effectively removes Krunker and Minecraft Java Edition. That said, I believe Minecraft Bedrock Edition is available for XSX.
  • Stardew Valley is great, but the son's social group has 5 people. Stardew Valley only supports up to 4.
  • Cities Skylines does not have multiplayer.

Can't speak for Dorfromantik, because I haven't played it, but the rest seem like great choices.

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[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Fall Guys, Among Us, Totally Reliable Delivery Service. These games are full of shenanigans 10 year olds love.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Totally Reliable Delivery Service

Thanks for that one. I hadn't seen it yet. I bet they'd have fun with it.

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[–] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Try Minetest - https://www.minetest.net/

It's a FOSS voxel engine, so they can play multiplayer with their friends for free. MineClone2 is a Minecraft clone on Minetest, so even if their friends don't have Minecraft, they can still play with friends.

For paid games, consider indie games, as they're less likely to be micro-transaction bullshit. Raft, Stardew Valley, Two Point Hospital are good options. Not so much multiplayer, but Stardew supports it. Multiplayer wise, maybe Among Us if the parents are comfortable with that.

[–] learningduck@programming.dev 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Buy him a cheap PC and introduce Factorio.

It would teach them logical thinking and teamwork. Could be a nice platform for programming also.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I might as well just hold the crackpipe for him and light it

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

fill an endless pit with fake money bought with real money.

Honest question, if the money is the issue, then why not let him play the free stuff and not spend money on it?

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm crumudgeony enough to remember when buying a game was buying a game. I disliked it when mobile games slowly changed into monitization via microtransactions. Heck, I remember buying games for full price and then they got changed to ftp overnight with mtx. That kind of stuff drove me nuts and I am firmly anti-mtx. That said, I let my kid earn money he can use on mtx for cosmetics and stuff on Fortnite. But it is a dedicated pool of money for mtx, his actual money kept separate so he can buy ice cream or save for bigger purchases without worry. Roblox on the other hand, is a company that exploits children for their labor to create the games and it hires psychologists to ensure kids dump as much money into it as possible all while having no moderation. Roblox is awful. Microtransactions in children's games are harmful and exploitive. I'm letting my kid get a drip feed so he can get the little benefit from having non-stock costumes in fortnite while also having the learning experience that in games with mtx, you can never have enough - without him becoming a whale.

[–] rubikcuber@feddit.uk 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I've recently banned my kid from playing it too. I had only just unlocked it for the first time. I had previously blocked it because it was, IMHO, terrible. As a professional gamedev I find it offensively bad. But I relented, because lots of his friends were playing it. However, and this may be the experiences he was playing, it seems to be almost exclusively training kids up for gambling. Pretty much everything is dopamine based rewards. It's like a casino. It's worst than I ever imagined. I'm this close to banning online play in Minecraft because he is similarly gravitating to the same sort of experiences. In our case it's not about money, he hasn't spent a cent on these things. But the content is very problematic, I have concerns that it is encouraging developing minds that gambling is the norm.

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[–] Daryl76679@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Besides the obvious Minecraft recommendation, maybe Terraria, Satisfactory, and if you're willing to allow it, something like Smite would be another good option for him to play with his friends.

[–] danileonis@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

Oh, I'm sure we're all great parents here. I applaud you for admitting a mistake and having the humility to ask for advice, both excellent parenting skills in my opinion.

I believe the answer is always culture. Once better videogames are discovered it's likely that they will hardly go back to the bad ones (so that the problem of prohibitionism - which is only a temporary solution - can be solved).

[–] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

We actually tried it on gamepass and my son was only kind of interested. Thanks for the recommendation though

[–] Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I haven't seen Splatoon being recommended here, it's a ton of fun and has no microtransactions. You can but your kid a Switch for cheap nowadays.

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[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 8 points 10 months ago

Space engineers. Great game for cooperation amd if they work well enough they can get a working spaceship going together and explore the universe.

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Microtransactions aside, if you're trying to protect your kids from creeps online you're gonna have to ban every platform that supports interactions with strangers. This includes several other games you've mentioned in the comments including Minecraft.

Personally, instead of banning it I just play it with my kids on a regular basis. There's plenty of actually decent games on Roblox and it enables game ideas that otherwise wouldn't see the light of day. My favourite is the Ikea survival game.

[–] Pietson@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

The problem with Roblox is that they themselves are the creeps exploiting kids

[–] spuncertv@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sea of thieves is great, but only plays 4 at any given time. It also has alcohol and some T rated violence, but it depends on what your boundaries are for the kids.

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[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It would be helpful to understand what types of games the kid was playing in the first place to suggest alternatives. I ripped this answer from quora on how to see which games within roblox your child was playing

  • Game History: Roblox used to have a "Game History" feature that allowed users to view a list of recently played games. This feature showed the last few games you played, but it was limited in terms of historical data. It's worth checking if this feature is still available in your account settings.
  • Roblox Account Activity: You can check your Roblox account's activity feed, which may show some information about recent game interactions and achievements. However, this feed typically doesn't display a comprehensive game history.
  • Roblox API: Some third-party websites and tools may offer services that attempt to retrieve and display more extensive game history data by accessing Roblox's API. Be cautious when using third-party services and make sure they are reputable and secure.

I went looking for any kind of account tracker and to no one's surprise they are mostly about account value from items, not so much about worlds/experiences they have been on.

Most of the responses I've seen on here are just suggesting games which may or may not be to your kids looking purely based on those games being generally accepted as good.

[–] ArmainAP@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Was he interested in developing games in Roblox or just playing them? If he was interested in development, consider showing to him Godot. Do a simple tutorial together, maybe a multiplayer that he can send and show off to his friends.

[–] Pietson@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Something like scratch is probably a much easier introduction.

[–] Tau@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He could play minecraft with his friends on a personal server. I think making servers is easy on Minecraft Bedrock (The minecraft version available on Xbox)

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[–] Saff@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

I dunno if you want him playing a true mmo at that age, but old school RuneScape is currently as popular as ever. Specifically old school though, RS3 has the same sort of problems with micro transactions etc.

[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

your edit shouldnt be so aggressive, no one knew that and as we didnt know it wasnt judgemental to be mad

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sniper Elite Five is fun. It only has gore when you are shooting Nazis and it is always morally good to shoot Nazis.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Shooting nazis is acceptable. I'll get him Wolfenstein one of these days when he's a little older.

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