This more than most sitcoms is just abusive relationships with a laugh track. Glad it’s not getting rebooted
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Good.
It was barely funny when it first came out, and hasn't aged well at all (I know because it's on every fucking morning when there is literally nothing else to watch).
Keep the misogyny, toxic masculinity and heteronormativity, and abusive-bullshit-as-normal in the past where they belong - boomer humour needs to be allowed to die, not kept alive at any cost to fill a handful of greedy pockets and entertain bigots (cough cough Frasier cough cough).
Good news everybody
let things have their time. i understand the idea behind a lot of these revivals, but they're often pretty bad. it's not just about getting actors back and rebuilding sets. it's about the writers and all the other people that work on these shows. i'm fairly happy with how the Futurama revival turned out, but they were already set up for it, and it was really just another joke about all the other times they got revived.
in the case of Everybody Loves Raymond, you don't have Peter Boyle. without him the show would just be a shadow of its former self anyway.
sometimes it's better to imagine these characters just riding off into the sunset.
Good for him, he must be doing okay on money. Lol.
the Rosanne revival wasn't because she needed money, but more for the rest of the cast who hadn't been so lucky.
Hehe, that wasn't even the one I was talking about!
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So far the only thing I'll ever say was a good reboot was the 2nd Jumanji movie. The one that came after that is a shameless cash grab with little to no soul, but the other one was actually pretty decent.
They didn't pull a Star Wars and take the best parts of the previous movies to make a new film. They didn't make it overly cringe or completely dumb it down to the point of being nothing at all like the original. And they tried something new instead of just re-creating the original but only changing the time period and characters.
Off the top of my head: Doctor Who, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Battlestar Galactica.
Fair.
And the first few Mission: Impossible movies. They were a reboot of a 70s show.
Had no idea since I've never seen any of them. Closest I ever came was having a PS1 Mission Impossible game and never making it past the start.
Ahhh the video game wasn't that good. The first and imo especially the second film was amazing.
You're comparing movies to sitcoms.
It's the best reboot example I have because all others I've seen suck. I don't have any other point of reference for good reboots other than Jumanji.
the other one was actually pretty decent.
So it was only mediocre? I can't personally speak to it as I only saw the original, but this is hardly a ringing endorsement for reboots as a whole, or even that specific one.
Pfft, Degrassi the Next Generation kicked Degrassi's ass.
Also the more respectable answers like Star Trek TNG, FMA Brotherhood, and The Office too, but I stand by Degrassi TNG > Degrassi!
FMA brotherhood is very divisive lol but I liked it too! It’s also not really a “reboot” in the traditional sense.
If I'm being fer real fer real, I like FMA and FMA:B equally and think they both have very different but on the whole equal things of value to offer.
FMA:B divisive? This is the first I’ve heard that, isn’t it the top rated anime on MAL?
edit: Also 17th on imdb’s top 250 tv shows of all time, with the only animated shows ahead of it being Rick and Morty, Bluey (lol), and Avatar: The Last Airbender
Don't you dare disrespect Bluey
For what that show tries to do, it performs magnificently! Wholesome positive relationships in a show about a family, how novel!
Funny that it had to come from the literal other side of the globe.
Many people are divided over which one is “better.”
Some say brotherhood is tighter/more streamlined and some say it’s at the cost of characterization/it’s too trimmed. Not divisive in “people hate it” but open a discussion with a couple of fans and they’ll gladly argue about why one is superior to the other. Though occasionally I’ll meet some diehards who work really hard to convince people not to watch brotherhood and instead watch the full/original version.
Ah I wonder if that’s a thing that’s a preference for people who grew up with the 2003 anime. From my personal experience, most people prefer Brotherhood as the definitive adaptation of Hiromu Arakawa’s story, and either haven’t even bothered going back to the 2003 anime, or find ok but not as cohesive as Brotherhood (as you mentioned), or really dislike the departures it takes from the “canon” storyline.
As an aside, I did not expect to get into a discussion about FMA in an Everybody Love Raymond thread lol
Lol same but here we are!
Interesting insights as well. Appreciate it
I have to admit that the storyline with the little girl and some of the other emotional parts hit me harder in the original, because they were able to stretch out those relationships longer. But at other times, it stretched too long and that's where I appreciated Brotherhood going to the action quicker.
Strong disagree
Going by modern nomenclature, Frasier was a "reboot" of Cheers and Family Matters was a "reboot" of Perfect Strangers (and the first season or two had some REALLY good epsides). Or, to go by more inarguable standards: it isn't my thing, but The Connors is uniformly praised and is the best that "Roseanne" has been since they stopped caring about being about working class families.
At the end of the day: it is a question of whether the character work of the original was strong enough and if there is a story worth telling with the reboot/spinoff/whatever.
And considering Everybody Loves Raymond didn't even have a solid story for the original run and had an even more unlikable protagonist than Tim "The Narcman" Taylor...
Going by modern nomenclature, Frasier was a “reboot” of Cheers
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Frasier was a spin-off.
Family Matters was a “reboot” of Perfect Strangers
This makes even less sense. Family Matters and Perfect Strangers aired concurrently. This is like saying Angel the series was a reboot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer.
Somewhere in Queens is a fantastic watch & the closest we'll get, apparently noone here watched it
I think Will and Grace was the only reboot that was quality. I've heard good things about the Kids in the Hall reboot, but I don't think that really counts since it's sketch comedy.
Arguably "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" is a reboot. Not sure if the The Office counts.