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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well you heard them. American numbers only from now on.

Get learning, kids.

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 26 points 11 months ago

Gotcha questions like this (eg "should we ban dihydromonoxide") are supposed to show us not to jump to conclusions, but I'm guessing the people voting no on this one aren't taking much away from it

[–] doctorn@r.nf 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Is that like Roman numerals?

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It is similar in that they use characters from their alphabet as numerals but not exactly the same way as the Romans. Greek numerals are decimal, based on powers of 10, just like Roman and Arabic. The units from 1 to 9 are assigned to the first nine letters of the old Ionic alphabet from alpha to theta. Instead of reusing these numbers to form multiples of the higher powers of ten, however, each multiple of ten from 10 to 90 was assigned its own separate letter from the next nine letters of the Ionic alphabet from iota to koppa. Each multiple of one hundred from 100 to 900 was then assigned its own separate letter as well, from rho to sampi.

[–] ytg@feddit.ch 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not really, they're based on gematria like Hebrew numerals. α = 1, β = 2, γ = 3 and so on

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

my hebrew is a little rusty

[–] doctorn@r.nf 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Roman got it from the Greek too before adapting it, iirc.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Romans got like 80% of everything they stood for from the Greeks.

A joke goes: The Greek invented sex. The Romans later improved upon the idea by introducing women to it.

[–] doctorn@r.nf 2 points 11 months ago

Hehe, yeah, even their God's were recycled Greek ones.

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 19 points 11 months ago

You're joking, but give it a few months to a year.

This will be a republican talking point for doing away with public schools.

[–] Midnight1938@reddthat.com 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be fair the system is hindu arabic.

Closer to hindu १२३ than arabic ١٢٣

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imperial mesure and Roman numerals fits good in this dystopic redneck country

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My thought exactly. Arabic numerals imply the decimal system and then people can't use their grandma's recipes anymore.

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[–] Ulijin@feddit.uk 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

In fairness the question is open to interpretation. They don't specify if they mean western or eastern Arabic numerals.

As schools in the west already teach western, the people responding could justifiably deduce that the question is referring to eastern.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

But the Eastern Arabic numbers are the same as the western ones except that the Arabs call them Indian numbers

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Ah yes, 2,313 people, otherwise known as a representative sample 350 million.

Edit: I'm not respond to the morons who think someone's FB status poll is representative of America.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe this is a representative sample, but not because of the sample size. Stay in your lane, high school level science education.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You know there will be plenty of Americans who think their numbers are American and not Arabic.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

I've heard "speak American" coming out of one's mouth once.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

🙄

This fucking comment on every single poll result. Consider learning even the tiniest bit about how statistical sampling works.

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[–] RealWarrenBuffett@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

Someone should tell them...

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 10 points 11 months ago

Fucking idiots...

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago
[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 10 points 11 months ago

Well there's always Roman to fall back to

[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apparently they call it "Hindu-Arabic" numbers now. Not sure if that makes it more or less frightening

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[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

Looks like they are not teaching the dumber students enough.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Cistercian numeral fans eating tonight

[–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

xx past xi. Sure, whatever

[–] TransSynthesist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lemme guess....another fine YouGov poll?

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Civic Science

https://www.iflscience.com/56-percent-of-americans-dont-think-we-should-teach-arabic-numerals-in-school-52484

They openly admit that they were trying to mislead surveyed people with their wording. These results were taken as tribalism on both sides:

Should schools in America teach the creation theory of Catholic priest Georges Lamaitre as part of their science curriculum?

The results were 20% yes, 53% no, 27% no opinion. Turns out the "creation theory" in question was the Big Bang Theory. No one calls the Big Bang Theory a "creation theory". Overall, I'd call this a shit poll that isn't good for anything beyond a chance to clutch at pearls.

Edit: How could I miss it! It's a troll poll!

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Ya, I don't understand the point here.

Is the context asking if jr high/high school language classes for languages that use Arabic Numerals should be banned?

Or is the context asking if grade school students should be taught all the different numerals of the world?

Or is the context asking if just English/Roman/Arabic numerals should be taught?

etc.

All of these questions have different answers...

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For context: Arabic numbers are the "normal" numbers you use every day in contrast to the Roman numerals for example

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, and as I just learned EASTERN Arabic numerals are a horse of a completely different color.

Its a good trick question.

English speakers are going to look for "English/British/UK" for the name of the characters they use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_numerals

They are going to think that when you say Arabic, it means this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's pointing out how many people will ignorantly hate something just because of it's name.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That might be the narrative its going for, but I don't think its a good example.

Pointing out that people are dumb (like me) and that they dont know that English speaking countries use Non-Eastern Arabic Numerals, that might be something.

Calling that racism is just lazy and misleading.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Pointing out that people are dumb (like me) and that they dont know that English speaking countries use Arabic Numerals, that might be something.

There you go. You finally got it. Yay.
It's Also pointing out the fear of middle easterns

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Melkath@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the clarification. It looks like my google glance was too sloppy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals

My glance lead me to believe these are Arabic numerals but they are EASTERN Arabic Numerals.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Massive props for responding to (and remaining civil with) everyone who replied to you

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 11 months ago

Dumb mother fuckers.

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