Please follow lemmy.ml and stand up to the big guys and defederate in whatever form it comes. This is a chance to finally stand alone from the Mega corps and have some peace and quiet.

I'm not a lemm.ee user, but I support defederation should Meta decide to permit access to Lemmy instances. We're here to escape Silicon Valley, not look for opportunities to invite them to dinner.

If you don’t defederate we might as well go back to reddit. I don’t want to see posts from instagram accounts

I’m excited by the potential of the fediverse, and I want the fediverse to grow. That means more users. However, the noncommercial nature of the fediverse is why I’m excited by it in the first place. I couldn’t care less if there’s yet another gigantic social network full of ads.

Allowing any profit-driven interest to influence the fediverse risks destroying what makes the fediverse interesting and special. I’m not willing to risk the fediverse in order to grow it.

Hell no. I came to Lemmy to get AWAY from the corporate overlords.

Fuck Zuck and fuck Meta

Considering Meta mines as much data from as many people as possible just to advertise to them and also they can’t even launch Threads in the EU right now because of how aggressively it tracks literally everything about their users and Threads’ only purpose is to gather more data to sell to more people, I think that alone is worth not letting them play.

Staying as far away from Meta has been my goal since leaving Facebook 8 years ago. I really like this instance, it meets all of my needs for my Reddit replacement.

I don’t see a reason to federate with a corporation unless they were able to deliver something I’m not currently getting and their corporate support would greatly improve performance/sustainability for this instance. But based on previous experience, a company entering a space usually makes it worse.

I think like a lot of people the reason I'm putting up with the growing pains of a decentralized network, the fragmentation of communities that come with it, and sync issues across instances is because we want to try something that isn't run by corporations that views users as something to sell off to the highest bidder. If I wanted to deal with a centralized large user base why wouldn't I just skip this whole fediverse thing and go straight to Meta or reddit or Twitter or tiktok that is way more user friendly? I'm not here because I want another reddit clone that ends up being run or is influenced by another billionaire asshole down the line.

No Federation with Corporations.

Fuck facebook and fuck everything that has to do with it! Defederate!

Strongly in favour of defederating. Firstly because I don't want advertising or big businesses taking over feeds, but the point you made about moderation is critical. The sheer amount of content that instance admins will have to deal with will be unmanageable.

I don't believe that federating with Threads will be completely apocalyptic, and I actually believe that the commercialization of the Fediverse is the way it will take over the internet. You can't run the entire internet on a crowdfunded and volunteer-only basis, after all. The beauty of the Fediverse is that competition is easy and enshittification is difficult due to how easy it'll be to simply take your activity somewhere else, meaning that companies like Meta won't be able to do the type of things they're known for.

That being said, I believe that for technical reasons, as well as the fact that it'd be very easy for Meta to strangle their competition in the cradle if we (Referring to the Fediverse as a whole, as this isn't even my instance) cooperated with them, nobody should federate with Threads until the Fediverse is large, resilient, and technologically matured enough to survive a hostile takeover attempt by a corporation like Meta. Basically, defederate from them for now, and reconsider at a later date when the Fediverse has had time to establish itself. I think in the future, the Fediverse will be able to easily deal with Threads being popular and enshittifying itself, but I simply don't think we're there yet.

I don't understand why anyone wants to have Facebook of all companies here. Really? Why is this even a question.

Personal feelings: If I ever want to view Meta content, I'll go to a Meta owned app. I'm enjoying this new frontier and want it to thrive as safe haven away from massive corporate sponsorship.

I too am in favor of defederating with Threads. If Meta just wanted to create an instance of mastodon for users who are interested or something like that maybe I would have been fine. But Meta is coming in with an entire social network with millions of users. This is going to completely disrupt fediverse and current users will be forced to interact with it in some way. In time Fediverse would be completely dependent on Meta and lose it's own identity. The Fediverse needs more time to grow slowly as people realize that profit motivated social media just doesn't work and want something different. With the current decentralized model, I feel we do have plenty of time to grow and don't need meta's user base. I think it's time to define what fediverse stands for - it can't be just any entity using activitypub. You have to define some rules and guidelines if you want to be part of the community.

I changed my instance yesterday to a Meta defederated one. An absolute no brainer. And people who think, that you shouldn't defederate from Meta, can just install and use Threads along with all other Meta crap. Meta will never change. Lemmy is a fresh breath of air, the idea behind is great. Don't burn it.

Fuck Facebook and the horse it rode in on.

Updoot from me. Fuck the zuck suck.

Threads, Facebook, Meta, ZucctheSucc can go pound sand.

If Lemm.ee doesn't defederate I'll need to move to anther instance or host my own. I'm not willing to feed them data to enrich the evil shits that run that companu.

As someone who deleted Facebook in 2012 and has zero intention of going back to any of Meta’s products… I don’t see a need to defederate and would prefer not to.

Hear me out… maybe i just am still figuring this whole fediverse thing out but I don’t see how it can be bad.

1. If there are ads or otherwise bad content on threads, I’m not going to see it unless I actively go follow treads accounts. Like I still have trouble finding/following content across federated instances, basically going there, getting the name of a community, coming back here, and plugging it in.

2. Any data they could mine about me they could get anyway since it’s either publicly available or not. They could just stave the fediverse under some other domain/IP that doesn’t even need to federate.

3. In the event they try to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, they would just change the activity pub protocol in some way, at which point we would have two competing standards. Open source ActivityPub, as used by Mastadon, Lemmy, and the like… and Meta’s ActivityPub… if we don’t use theirs their extended (bad) version of the protocol, they essentially fork and we don’t get to see their content. So we’re just going to defederate now so they don’t have that carrot to dangle over us? Why not just know if they starts fundamentally changing the protocol we just let them break themselves back off from us? We don’t lose anything we aren’t giving up already by defederating.

The ONLY thing that fundamentally changes for me is I don’t get to follow any Threads accounts from the relative safety of the fediverse. At which point I probably have to bite the bullet and spin up my own dedicated instance so I can chose to not defederate. All that said I’m more concerned about this on the Mastadon side of things, as like you said it probably wouldn’t even integrate well with the Reddit style fediverse.

Firstly, I am anti-Meta. If someone on lemmy/mastodon wants to use Threads and their instance blocks it then they are free to get a Threads account. Likewise if someone is using Threads and see what they feel is an incomplete experience, they are free to find a lemmy instance and sign up. Here's my question, and it's one I haven't seen anyone else ask. Is refederating possible? Difficult? If we assume the worst and are wrong have we cut off our noses to spite our faces?

I’m in the minority here but I don’t want to defederate yet.

One of the biggest benefits of federation is that it allows me to interact with brand accounts on my own terms. With Twitter, I often found that the best way to get support was to contact the brand's account directly. I can't do that on Lemmy if we defederate.

And during major news events I want the up-to-the-minute coverage you find on major news outlets’ accounts.

But being over here on Mastodon and Lemmy, ideally, I can get that interaction on my own terms instead of being subjected to The Algorithm.

If this is not possible due to protocol limitations, or it becomes onerous to block spam - and the tools to do so haven’t caught up - then I’d be in favor of defederation. Not preemptively.

Meta can go fuck a hat.

DEFEDERATE!

In favor of federating

1. Presumption of innocence - until they actually push ads to ActivityPub, there’s no formal reason to defederate. The moment they do - cut the cord
2. Same thing with EEE - defederate the moment they change the protocol unilaterally, not before
3. It’s a stress test for Lemmy. What if lemme.world grows 100x and dominates the global feed - it’ll be sad if our only solution at that point was to defederate from them
4. Federation does not give Facebook more ads data: entire ActivityPub ecosystem is open and scrapable, they will still know that buttface17@lemmy.wtf asked a question about growing shrooms

I despise Facebook and have distanced myself from their products for well over a decade. That being said, I can't support punishment for pre-crime especially when we are the ones pushing for open communication and power of the people. To me, defederating from threads before they do anything wrong is very hypocritical and giving them ammunition against Lemmy, etc. The media isn't going to listen to us, they are going to listen to Meta when they say that they wanted to open up their borders and we slammed the door shut.

In short, defederating immediately means we are the ones breaking federation.

Please defederate.

I knew it was right decision on my part to start using lemm.ee and stop using .world

You know, I was going to be a wait and see vote. After seeing the justification and a better understanding of the consequences, I agree with defederation. As much as I think Lemmy has room to grow, it should not be via Facebook and obviously fuck ads. I stand with King @sunaurus

Please defederate.

Remembering what Facebook did with XMPP (initially allowed their users to speak to other messengers' users, then got sloppy with compatibility, causing great workload to unrelated app developers, and finally, having accumulated enough mass for Messenger, stopped supporting XMPP) - Facebook should be avoided like fire.

Facebook is also bad for society, allowing manipulation (targeted advertizing), aggregating great amounts of user data (harming privacy) and prioritizing user engagement regardless of the social cost (a hateful conflict generates more clicks than cat photos).

I'd like to see how Threads evolves before preemptively deciding to cease interacting with it. However, if it's anything like Facebook or Instagram today then please keep it away from me

If we downvote, then what's the point of migrating here from Reddit? Facebook and other mainstream social medias can pour funds to create their own “universe.”

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Personally if I wanted to interact with Threads, I would make a Threads account. It's free, I already have 100 accounts across various websites, so what is 1 more.

I think defederation is a wise choice here.

I'm for federating with any instance that doesn't exist explicitly to break this community rules. I turned blind eye to not defederating Exploding Heads because Lemm.ee is a small server that doesn't host any big communities they could interfere with. I thought it was an indication that it's an instance that would allow me to curate my experience.

This is a European server, it's fair to assume most of the users here are protected by GDPR. The talk of scraping data seems like a nonsense, Meta can do it without federating. And as Elon learned, closing your APIs means other entities will do web scraping which puts more stress on your infrastructure.

I don't understand how most people here are for open standards, interoperability and the moment their protocol of choice gets traction they drop everything and opt to create their walled garden, except with 5 dozens of people. This is it, you've literally won. I guess some people will keep fighting big corporations for any reason on principle. That's ok but not something most people are interested in.

There's a lot of talk about how XMPP was killed by Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. I'm convinced 99% people posting that same blog post that sells opinions as facts, haven't actually lived through it. XMPP was embraced, then Google and Facebook got bored, dropped it and moved on. They did not poison the protocol in any way.

If Meta tries to extend Activity Pub in a malicious way then that's the point you defederate. If they get bored of Activity Pub and move on you have lost nothing, you probably gained more users than you would if you didn't federate. I don't believe it will come to this, EU Digital Markets Act means more platforms will have to open up, other commercial platforms will join in to capitalize on that and we'll end up with consortiums coming up with reasonable changes to standards. If not they'll get bonked by EU regulators with even more laws.

Finally, it's a shame that we've done this vote via Lemmy post. It has hit "All" view for a lot of people who are not part of this instance and probably irreversibly poisoned this discussion.

I mean the beauty of the fediverse is that if you INSIST on being able to access Threads via a Lemmy account, you can, even if all the big instances defederate. IMO the risks/downsides outweigh any possible benefit in light of the fact that defederation doesn’t remove access for anyone, just restricts it