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[–] flumph@programming.dev 209 points 11 months ago (4 children)

These people don't even read their own literature. The Catholic church's ban on alchemy is about falsely claiming something is a valuable metal in order to pay for debts. It has nothing to do with the occult -- the ban was because it's a sin to lie / cheat / steal. A saint is even on record saying that alchemical gold is ok if the end if product is real gold.

With that context, of course God doesn't give a shit if you use SQLAlchemy as long as you aren't using it to defraud people. If you were defrauding people, it wouldn't matter what tool you used.

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[–] Naich@kbin.social 65 points 11 months ago

I'm shocked that a person who thinks the name of a piece of software can harm them doesn't understand their own religion.

[–] bh11235@infosec.pub 37 points 11 months ago

Now of course one could make some damning argument about the state of the tech industry in practice, resulting in one of those bell curve memes with "using SQLalchemy is a sin" on both far sides and "noooo it's just a name it's fine there's no fraud involved" in the middle

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 35 points 11 months ago

If you were defrauding people, it wouldn't matter what tool you used.

Stays silent while coding the JezuzLovezU worm...

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[–] darkpanda@lemmy.ca 149 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Better not tell them about daemons I guess.

[–] Maestro@kbin.social 38 points 11 months ago

From the title of the screenshot I was sure it was going to be about daemons.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 11 points 11 months ago

Or about the D.E.V.I.L.S. format listing option on ffmpeg

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 112 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just wait until they learn about Daemons

[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 88 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 71 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Master/slave systems are probably a-ok for them though.

[–] 30p87@feddit.de 30 points 11 months ago

The only reason killing children is bad in their view would be if the child is unborn/not spawned already or if they want to abuse it but can't anymore.

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 17 points 11 months ago

And detaching/reattaching git heads.

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

They'd probably be fine with that as long as they're not unborn

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 100 points 11 months ago

Yet they say “Easter Eggs”, referring to a Pagan tradition. As hypocritical as it gets.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The user shouldn't code in Python. That's a fucking serpent. It caused Eve to eat the apple. Original sin. Holy shit, the most popular coding language is from the fucking devil! Mask off, mind blown, what the eff.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

On that note, I sure hope he doesn’t uses any Apple products either.

[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

TL;DR The fruit of the tree of knowledge being a literal apple is non-canon, being entirely based on a pun.

The word "apple" is not used in the Bible, that is, unless the Bible in question is a translation that specifically uses that word. Even then, see below.

The whole apple thing comes from:

  1. the fact that the word for "apple" can be used as a synonym for "(any) fruit" in some languages and context, and so could mean any fruit.

Think about French pomme de terre for "potato" which is literally "apple (meaning 'fruit') of the earth". Dutch has aardappel (earth apple) which is the same thing. Fun fact: Old English eorþæppel (earth apple) allegedly meant "cucumber". Go figure. But I digress.

  1. Latin is the main ecclesiastical language for one particularly influential branch of Christianity and one word for apple in Latin is "malus". That sounds like a lot of unrelated Latin words that start "mal-" that mean bad or evil, thus an apparent connection to the fruit of the tree of knowledge also leading to evil.

(I mean, it might actually be a proto-apple of some sort (modern apples did not exist 7000 years ago or whenever it was supposed to be) but the Bible doesn't specify.

Some scholars think that the whole thing developed out of metaphor for abandoning a hunter-gatherer lifestyle for farming. Others think that it might be a reference to beer / alcohol, which is one of the first things humans got interested in after farming.)

[–] Malgas 8 points 11 months ago

Latin also used apple as a stand-in for generic fruit, cf. malum persicum ("Persian apple") meaning peach.

And, fun fact, the English word "pineapple" was originally synonymous with "pinecone" (i.e. the fruit of the pine tree).

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago

I mean, that Apple logo has a bite out of it. Eve's bite! And it ships with Python!

Someone call the Inquisition!

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[–] Pfnic@feddit.ch 61 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the kind of person who would stick to IDE (with master and slave disks ofc) because S-ATA is only an N away from eternal damnation

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[–] Littleborat@feddit.de 56 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just skimmed this but shouldn't people who are unable/ubwilling to live in the modern world be true to themselves and also not code in some demonic language?

Just skip it and piss off dear catholic

[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Wait until they learn about daemons

[–] Littleborat@feddit.de 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Even the real daemons are just spirits it's the Christians who literally demonized them.

The idiocy goes back more than a millenium.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

If Christians are idiots then so are the "pagans", religion is religion. Don't defend one because you hate another.

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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I used to have an rpg on steam, with "fantasy" in the name. One day someone sent me an email asking if there was any way to remove all references to magic from the game so they could play it, as having witches and stuff was a big no for them, but they still wanted to try the game.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

I would immediately patch in a "no witches" mode.

Every instance of "witch" is replaced with "warlock".

And if there were graphics, every witch would have a photorealistic penis hanging out the front of ~~her~~ his robes.

[–] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure fam, unchecks "Magic, Witches and stuff".

Then they can interact with peasant NPCs all day long.

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[–] sonori 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You know, it would be really nice if some of them actually knew what that book was talking about sometimes. From my understanding the Bible describes and condemns witchcraft as making deals with evil for power, and basically uses it as condemnation of thinking that the ends can ever justify the means by taking things to the logical extreme.

In most modern settings at least, magic is either an inerhant trait, lots of carful study, or a bargain with a benign spirit of some variety.

There’s is admittedly a long history of people missing the point of this, most of which stated by an utter loon trying to get back at is ex. The people at the time utterly ignored medieval Karen, but this drove him to rant a lot in writings which then got used as a source by latter assholes to justify gojng after the people they wanted to get back at.

All of which ignores the obvious of course, which is to say the Bible doesn’t say you can’t experience story’s about sin in the first place.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 48 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It must be exhausting to go through life saddled with so much mental bullshit.

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[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 42 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Alchemy isn't even a strictly occult thing. It was something done in the medieval era that was basically a very early form of science before most of the things they were trying to do were considered impossible

[–] neosheo@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago

I mean alchemy is an occult practice. It's just history only pays attention to the physical aspects (turning things into gold, etc). Often times the medium to turn a substance into gold is called the philosophers stone

But this is only a portion of it. The philosophers stone in alchemy is actually spiritual enlightenment or becoming one with everything. Hence the concept of turning anything into gold, gold being enlightenment and the universe and the plain material before the transformation is preenlightened individuals. They all become the same (one, gold) after attaining it.

Most alchemical philosophy is occult/spiritual and the chemistry aspects are a metaphor for the evolution of the soul.

I think because modernity is mostly materialist in its philosophy that we ignore the underlying spirituality associated with alchemy

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[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oooh spooky alembics ⚗⚗⚗

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Use Ark to compress all your files and place them in a shielded metal box. Save yourself from the flood of solar flares that God will send to rid the world of all the sinful data. Make sure to include exactly 2 copies of each of God’s programs.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 35 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This person is really gonna hate my new web framework "I submit to the horned lord, Lucifer, the light bringer and ruler of this world. All hail Satan."

I think it's gonna be big since it's the only web framework for Malbolge.

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

[...]tempted [to use] another tool called "Peewee"

Oh yes, OOP is definitely a Catholic priest

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 26 points 11 months ago

Poor thing. Wait until they learn what a single python did to humanity.

[–] halm@leminal.space 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The sinful tools with occult names work. I think that should be a big pointer here.

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[–] boringbisexual@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just fork it and name it something else.

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 23 points 11 months ago

Religions have been doing this for millenia.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Know what else is forked? A snake's tongue. Like the one that made Eve eat the apple. Heresy!

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, yes it is. So is using Python and Apple. In fact, best you steer clear off of computers.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 18 points 11 months ago

Yeah well then. Classroom evolution by selection for superstition at its finest.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I'm not Catholic but I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

Playing games with religious themes is also not a sin, as you are expected to understand the difference between fact and fiction.

My source is that one of my best friends is Catholic

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago (20 children)

If they understood the difference between fact and fiction they wouldn't be a catholic. They're supposed to believe that crackers and wine literally turn into Jesus's body and blood by saying an incantation. Alchemy makes more sense than that, so I could see some people having issues.

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[–] Misconduct@startrek.website 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This post was a joke but I once had a woman scream at me for an hour that her account number had 666 in the middle of it. She was extremely upset that nobody warned her about this. She wanted a new account AND a refund for the entire time that the "sinful" account was active.

I should mention that her account was 15 years old at the time. The number never changed during that time it was always the same. She screamed so long and hard that they gave her a credit that essentially covered an entire year of service. I hate it here 😀

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[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago

They don't have a problem using a tool that is called psycho tho.

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