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That's ok. They get it whether you see why or not. They already have the priority, and you can't take it from them.
If I were coldly-calculating, I'd tell you that those things aren't important at all. Why would they be? It's someone already half-dead who, even if the surgery is successful, will always be in ill health and needing to take expensive immune suppressant drugs. Sure, maybe one or another of them is a genius of the sort you can't just let die, but as often as not they're some utterly replaceable worker who doesn't warrant the sorts of expense you propose to allocate to them.
If the climate crisis is as big of a deal as you and the rest make it out to be (I remain skeptical), then which of us is the bigger fool here? You're saying that it's so important that everyone must give up air travel... BUT HOW DO WE DO THAT WHILE STILL GIVING THEM AIR TRAVEL?!?!?!.
It's bizarre. Sure, supposing that this is some sort of slow motion disaster, it's always possible that someone will come up with some miracle technology that solves this. In the "1-in-a-number-so-big-that-there-are-fewer-atoms-in-the-universe" sense of possible. That ain't going to happen. And the longer you wait to figure that out, the worse things get.
Well, here's a thought. Instead of fellating press releases about sustainable aviation fuel, you could ignore them and if anyone ever asks why you (and the others you convince to ignore them) why you are doing that... you can say that it's because you can smell bullshit. You can't, but they won't know that if you fake it really well.
Giving in to the public lie, pretending you believe it too, just makes it more powerful. Make them own up and be honest, that they're ruining the planet and that they don't give a shit if they do.
That's ok. Most people have arrived at the same solution, they're just planning on being the exceptions to it. My ethics forbid doing such, or suggesting such, they allow me to acknowledge that I've recognized others as having thought of it.
My plans are for my descendants to still be here once all of that nonsense is sorted out, so for those of you who think that it should be "everyone without exception", you should prepare for disappointment in your final moments.
Problem is, society expects practical solutions and ideas you can apply in the real world. And doing nothing and resign is something lots of people will not accept, it is like genocide people will resist even if that is more or less what would help the planet on a larger scale. Instead we even try to cheat death, trying to create copies of ourselves to become immortal or go to other planets and do the same all over again. Who are we in the universe to decide such things.
I do not see life or death as good nor bad. I see it as irrelevant because we are all made out of stars, the irony is that in the process maybe other plants and others got killed to create us and the same will happen again and again in and endless cycle ... which makes life and death in that sense obscene and obsolete because this is how the universe works.
Well I think that is enough OT now, point remains, no one here has any practical solutions, which is clear otherwise people would just post them and I trust the eggheads that they know what they are proposing and that they considered climate related things. I trust science and scientists more than random people here telling everything is wrong, they know all better but never posting any ideas or solutions... I make that really that simple.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of technology. Yes, LEDs will get brighter and smaller and use less energy... and whatever the limit to that improvement is it's pretty absurd and grounded in physics.
There is another class of problems. It is scaling. It starts when someone says "I can make an amazing widget, it's beyond incredible!". The first question you ask shouldn't be "how much does it cost". Because indeed, cost will come down with time. It shouldn't be "how efficient is it", because that too will improve.
The question is "how many can you make". Ask that. And the truth here is that they couldn't ever hope to make enough. And that jets are fast approaching or have already met the fundamental limits of physics as far as being fuel efficient.
This means that this can never be a solution. We're not going to suddenly have less interest in flying. It's fucking convenient to be able to pay some company $300, and be in a city a 2000 miles away in just 4 hours. There won't be fewer people (or, if so, not until 2100-something, when falling fertility shows everyone that we're on a path to extinction).
This can't ever be a solution.
I don't know how to respond to the assertion that fighting for survival against genocide is comparable to fighting for your right to fly to Italy and have your idiot friend take the picture of you pretending to hold up the Tower of Pisa.
I suspect that this is a symptom of profound mental illness. Life is, without reasonable dispute, wonderful. I acknowledge that when people are tortured and tormented that they seem to change their opinion on that, and they have my deepest sympathies. I hope to live to see effective treatment for their illness.
I do not understand those who hold this opinion minus the torture, but perhaps ennui and middle-class wankery over the "meaning of life" is its own special kind of self-torture. I blame the weird parenting fads of western culture.
Then your crime's all the greater, to have been given what they were denied, and to waste it.
The linked article was not written by Science with a capital S. It's an abstract concept (and not even unflawed). It was not written by scientists. Generally, they are too busy to write articles for public consumption, and also generally, they are untalented at the sort of writing needed for the public to be able to understand it. Furthermore, to be good at science requires a certain sort of personality that embraces the sort of tunnel vision that makes them difficult to understand.
Thus, you are not listening to scientists here. You're not listening to someone who listened to scientists. My own bad estimate is, that for a typical article like this, there is a chain of up to 4 interpreters between you and the scientists, starting with the administrative staff of major research institutions, their public relations department, science journalists, and then editors themselves.
The article is based on research, so it is absolute irrelevant what you and I have to say, did you spend millions of dollars, so why pretend you know better and know all the answers. I do not claim such things, I show the options and that is all. I think it is better than going the old way because we need to change something, so or so.
But glad you are were bored and answered, it was absolute irrelevant, same like my answer. It brings us no step forward and each time new tech emerges or improved tech comes up the out crying such as, oh this is not 100 percent green, is pointless, so or so. It is about management, otherwise we can surrender, or go back into caves but I am not willingly to accept it and I will fight that, because it is in my nature. Same like it is in our nature to improve tech, constantly.
So.. In summary: "Trust the technocracy and just look past the issues and vested interests" for any solution World Economic Forum &co. Propose?
There is in retrospective only this
Changing society radical over night will simply not work. I believe the eggheads know about climate change and that earth runs out of resources and they are not stupid, they know it is a trade-off and not a final solution but it is better than our other options. People like me see cars, flying etc als luxury and piece of freedom and I know that green people want to abandon it entirely but this is not gonna happen friends. So instead of insisting removing those aspects we should come to a common ground to improve existing tech and to at least get rid of some problems.
Please give the scientists a little bit credit friends, I think they know what they are doing. IT is not like in the dontlookup movie.... 😅....