They were never going to get into NATO. Behind closed doors, Ukraine not getting into NATO has been bipartisan consensus for a long time. And Trump is not Putin’s puppet.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are screaming into the void. The people downvoting you think Butcher Biden is a good person, they are a lost cause.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I can push them left* lmao

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Behind closed doors, the consensus has been that other countries don't want to get dragged into the current war in accordance with NATO mutual defense agreements.

But since Trump insists that he can end the war, that's obviously not a consideration for him - by his claims, there will be nothing more standing in the way of Ukraine membership in NATO.

Which makes this announcement that much more significant - essentially what he's saying is that even after the main obstacle to Ukraine membership has been eliminated, the US will oppose it.

Why?

Because... no, Trump is not Putin's puppet. He's something even worse - a cringing sycophant, desperate for affirmation from his strongman idol.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

Because… no, Trump is not Putin’s puppet. He’s something even worse - a cringing sycophant, desperate for affirmation from his strongman idol.

If you keep analyzing the current administration through the lens of Jungian analysis of Trump, you’ll keep being wrong. Great man theory is no way to go about analyzing geopolitics.

[–] Josey_Wales@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Source for any of this? Would be interested to know more about these points.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don’t have sources on hand for the the first point, but I do for the second.

Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away

As for the first point, it’s been covered by the likes of John Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs, Noam Chomsky, Michael Hudson, and Glenn Diesen. Some political figures have admitted as much, but unfortunately I don’t recall who off the top of my head.