Will there be people who will hate us regardless? Absolutely. But I've seen people's opinions on trans people change in front of my eyes because they met me and realized I'm a reasonable person who isn't here to get into a screaming match with them over nothing. Because they've seen me gently and patiently correcting people rather than blowing up on them.

I absolutely refuse to accept that because trans people, binary or non-binary, are in a position where we have to fight for acceptance and for space in society that that means we should also just soak literal trolls trying to make us look bad. No. Sorry.

You want to use neopronouns? Cool. Awesome.

You want to invent brand new neopronouns and spend your time on the internet literally just shouting at people because they're not using a pronoun you literally invented yourself that flies in the face of convention? Don't be surprised when trans folk point at that and say that it might not be the best way to get representation in society.

I wouldn't even be able to pull that shit with just regular old feminine pronouns and expect to have decent results. I'm absolutely not going to support trans people tearing one another down because they didn't capitalize something or aren't using someone's name as a first, second and third person pronoun.

We absolutely should not be required to just show the bots our throats when they push their arguments for the most extreme extension of the logic of making basic accommodations. I'm not here to pretend a bot-farm strawman is just as valid in their demands as actual real life trans folks who aren't being paid to roll back the amount of accommodation the rest of us can expect.

If you don't think that's happening, I don't think you're paying attention. And if you do think we should just soak that and roll with it? That's not how we're going to make progress.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

But I've seen people's opinions on trans people change in front of my eyes because they met me and realized I'm a reasonable person who isn't here to get into a screaming match with them over nothing.

They didn't change because "you're reasonable". They changed, because trans people stopped being a remote, theoretical thing to hate on. Visibility makes us real to people. Knowing a trans person in your day to day life is the best indicator of whether or not someone is supportive of trans rights. When you become a real person to them, instead of a hypothetical, you break through.

That's not because you were well behaved. It's because you were visible, and authentic.

That's how I got used to neopronouns.

If you don't think that's happening, I don't think you're paying attention. And if you do think we should just soak that and roll with it?

The odd troll or bot getting through is better than defaulting to gatekeeping.

Because, if those bot farms exist like you suggest, their literal goal is to encourage people to misgender and undermine the validity of gender diverse folk. Going ahead and doing what they want is exactly the wrong response to bots and trolls pushing an agenda like that.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re portraying people who use neopronouns in a really unfair way that sounds pretty transphobic to me. The user this whole discussion originated from never even demanded that people use drag’s pronouns. Imo drag has other problematic behaviour that has nothing to do with drag’s gender expression or pronouns. Drag was pretty understanding when it came to people not understanding drag’s pronouns.

You sound exactly like a terf who is afraid that trans women will somehow get in the way of the feminist struggle. Social struggles aren’t won by pointing at someone more marginalised than you and ridiculing them, they’re won by being radically inclusive of all marginalised groups and advocating against oppression of all forms.

[–] millie 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Have you actually seen the posts from the people this thread is about?

One of them is literally in the habit of sending people death threats and encouraging suicide. There's a difference between supporting neopronoun use and being completely blind to literal bad faith trolls.

If you can't tell the difference I don't know what to tell you.

Edit: Some of y'all need to go touch some grass.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

No one is defending that problematic behaviour. The user should be banned for that (if true) but it has literally nothing to do with them having neopronouns. Read my (and ada’s) comment again and do some introspection before you hurt our community more. Stop being a terf-like transphobe.