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[–] halvdan 33 points 1 year ago (30 children)

What the fuck is wrong with people?

That's rhetorical and I have a fair understanding about why this is happening. It's just so bloody frustrating not knowing how to turn this shit around and open the eyes of gen pop to this. People just don't want to accept that unless we do something right quick, we're fucked. We might be fucked even if we do everything right, starting tomorrow. And still, pretty much nothing, or token agreements that are cheap enough and not too disruptive to the almighty economy and doesn't disrupt availability of cheap crap from China and other low cost countries with little to no worker safety or even regard for human life. I'm not saying I'm not part of the problem myself, cuz I sure as hell am. I try to do the right things, but far from all the time and it's far, far from enough. This needs to come from the top to have an effect, but most, if not all, governments have their lips firmly between the cheeks of very large economic interests that need their diagrams to always be pointing up, no matter what.

I don't know. If they weren't such fascist autocratic ass kissers I'd be tempted to join lemmygrad. Revolution, baby. Seriously though, people here seem like an intelligent and rather handsome lot with their hearts in all the right places, so I ask you, what the fuck can we do?

I leave you with a pic of my cat to take the edge off.

[–] twitterfluechtling@lemmy.pathoris.de 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It's all game theory. If I do everything right, restrain my reproductive urge, reduce my resource consumption etc., if most others don't chime in, it will achieve nothing. The gasoline I'm not using means our oil reserves worldwide will last two seconds longer, but it will still all be burned.

Even if every single human being on earth would be willing to join a covenant to save the environment, there is no one to orchestrate it, and therefore the majority despairs over humanities stupidity and can't do anything.

The same is on government level: If one state did everything right, globally the other governments would use up the saved resources. And therefore the electorate won't elect a really environment-friendly party because it only results into the own country reducing the standard of living, increasing it for others temporarily.

The only solution would be a global alliance. We surprisingly managed it for the ozone hole, but we won't this time.

I still try to live environment friendly, but in my heart I have no hope of humanity solving this chrisis, and a lot will go to shit in my lifetime still (next 30 years). Maybe enough will survive to maintain the species.

[–] halvdan 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I too feel like that a lot of the time. The problem with using game theory, is that game theory only works for a zero sum game. This isn't a zero sum game. Making us believe that is part of the propaganda. Helping someone else to a better life does not make your life worse. Our whole success as a species is proof plenty of that. A group of people helping each other is more successful than being alone and trying to fend for yourself. The propaganda is trying to make us forget that. Unfortunately, our whole economic system is built like it is a zero sum game and that is reflected in the values of society and the US is perhaps the most clear cut example of this. It is all lies. We must, however, widen the scope of our thinking. The community isn't just your little patch of dirt. It is the whole world. Helping another part of the world or other people will make it better for you as well in the long run. Even if it temporarily inconveniences you, welcoming people who can't survive in their patch of dirt to yours, will strengthen you in the long run. Even better is to stop exploiting other people so they can have a good life at home and doesn't need to work 18 hour shifts to make plastic shit we don't even need. It's not a zero sum game and we need to stop believing that it is.

[–] twitterfluechtling@lemmy.pathoris.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

game theory only works for a zero game

Traditional game theory did, current game theory doesn't

This situation has some similarities with the Prisoners dilemma, although not entirely

[–] halvdan 1 points 1 year ago

You are probably right about game theory working for zero sum games, but in this game, there is only one player. Us. Humanity as a whole. The two outcomes in that game are so trivial that we don't need game theory to figure out which outcome is most beneficial.

We pretty much already know what needs to be done to win this game, or at least give it our best shot. Game theory is what holds us back from doing that, because we are wrongly applying it to try and find local best outcomes. Unfortunately, there is no point in looking for local best outcomes in this game, because they won't matter if the whole game is lost.

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