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I think it's unreasonable and a huge generalization. Tell me what the 19 year old billionaires son did to contribute to human suffering.
I appreciate your voice and the importance of the sentiment that all humans deserve fundamental dignity and respect.
That said, “all billionaires are malfeasant parasites who don’t deserve to participate in society” is a hill upon which I’m willing to die.
It takes a special kind of sociopathy to pillage and hoard resources unfathomable when people are starving, suffering, and dying.
“Eat the rich” is more stirring and concise than “humanely strip the heinously wealthy of their power and resources”.
I'm all for eating the rich. Never in my comment did I say I think that billionaires got their money by being kind.
The only way to have that money is to cause the death or at least loss of "life" (eg. Wage slavery, lobbying for less socal welfare while making sure you get all the tax cuts, ect.).
What I am saying is, at the end of the day, being angry at dead people won't help anyone that they hurt.
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I wish you'd own your point of view instead of using weasel words. Do you support the respect and dignity of all people or not?
Preemptive edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
Your first sentence is incomprehensible to me.
What I mean is that I logically it’s very good to have people who are passionate about honoring human respect and dignity. It’s more moral and closer to the kindest world we could have. A diversity of opinions is necessary and first, and foremost, I wanted to recognize and respect the good work of voicing a less popular opinion to uphold your virtues.
Personally, I’m more worried about the collective pain and suffering that could be avoided if the status quo is maintained than quickly taking action and inadvertently breaking eggs. IMHO, the main reason sociopaths prevail is that empathetic folks waste time and effort trying to find a fantasy path where no one is hurt. Seems to me like the focus should be efficient and effective resolution of societal issues generating mass suffering period rather than having an Entmoot.
We’re not going to be able to impress billionaires so much with kindness and consideration that they prioritize the greater good over short-term interests. Better is the enemy of done.
My viewpoint is that we need to prioritize the reducing the most suffering yesterday. you don’t have to and probably shouldn’t agree. Discussion and disagreement are necessary for coalescing on a good path forward. Better ideas come out of a composite of values, flat personal opinions.
Tl;dr - I think your ideals are good and right in an ideal world, but also think the sentiment has misplaced priorities in the nightmare unfolding with exponential consumption of resources and pollution of the planet. I’m grateful for the opportunity to discuss and this is a nice change of pace/tone from Reddit.
How many people died in car accidents, and from preventable disease, every day of the coverage?
I only have so many fucks to give and I'm not wasting them on some spoiled thrill seeker.
That's an insult to yourself though. Yes, you can run out of fucks when your office worker shits up the bathroom without a courtesy flush and so you just go in there and hold your breath vs saying something.
But in order to not give a fuck about the people in the submarine, you would scroll past the articles or you add them to your block list.
.... You don't comment on a thread that you have no fucks to give so why should I care about the humans who died.
Kindness sometimes is done by doing nothing.
And yet this issue was blown up all over international media, while thousands die of preventable disease and in conflicts with little to no interest.
The hypocrisy is worth noting.
What are you doing to help prevent those deaths? I'll be the first to admit I'm not doing enough, but I wouldn't use that in an argument.
I feel that you already have your mind set, so there is no debate. I appreciate your time given to comment, but this debate is going no where. But to throw one last word in, you really care a lot for someone without any fucks.
It's because I believe that "we" - culturally, socially - have limited fucks to allocate. Not just me personally. Calling this out as irrelevant encourages people to save their fucks for what matters.
DON'T SEE THE FNORDS, DON'T SEE THE FNORDS, DON'T SEE THE FNORDS
That's a strawman argument. No one is saying "I'm glad the son who didn't want to go on the boat died."
I do feel sympathy for the human lives lost, at the end of the day, they were still human. On the other hand, people are allowed to feel whatever they want.
Up until it was confirmed they died, I was on the side of "Fuck um', they're stupid act cost millions of tax dollars that they lobby to pay as little as possible into." But after it was confirmed, I still can hate billionaires, but I am now directing my anger at the CEO who bypassed all regulation to make money and took five innocent people with him.
The moments before the implosion were something that no one should ever need to feel in their lives.
(That being said, who tf unquestionably enters a vessel where you need to be bolted in from the outside and there is no emergency exit.)
Just to this point - it would have happened too fast for them to even register anything was happening. Complete destruction would occur in 1/20th of a second. (Per Insider/Naval History Magazine)
If it was that fast yes and likely. For example if there was a fire first it could have been horrific.
Disagree re: strawman, plenty of people are saying fuck the five billionaires in the sub.
I feel like most people make an exception for the 19 year old kid. I haven't spoken to anyone who doesn't feel bad about him, but maybe that's just my circles.
I think you pick out a few people and generalize to make the point you want to make. Frankly I find I care more then I expect. I think it is all easier for us to feel for and care about individuals then larger groups of less specific people which this shows.
On the other hand dying is part of life. These guys died doing what they loved. This is somewhere between heroic and a Darwin award for choosing to take a sub with a fair number of known issues and the documents they signed were pretty explicit about the risks. Their families on the others hand are a different matter though they must have known the risks too.
This is also a great example of how billionaires operate. They are always saying they know best and no regulations or taxes please. Then when the shit hits the fan they want to be bailed out. Rescue effort here more of the same. Not saying we should have not done it. Just rather typical.