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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Is anyone brave enough to ask why?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is probably more of a symptom than a cause, but social media platforms pushing manosphere content isn't helping.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wasn't paying attention for like 2 seconds and it went from "Men also have rights" to "Andrew Tate is a role model", like WTF internet, stop ruining good things, fuck.

[–] Didros 2 points 1 month ago

But people need to make money. Internet will stop being ruined when it stops being monitized.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

Shock value gets upvotes and downvotes.

There was a famous radical feminist from decades ago who argued all men should be killed. I don’t think she was relevant during twitter or in the recent internet… if she had been, idk 🤷‍♂️

I think the problem with some of these issues is that there are academic theories that are being discussed, which end up getting reduced by non academics and applied to specific individuals.

In the men’s rights forums it becomes men and boys are being left behind, this gets turned into pointing at a specific woman and blaming her.

Likewise in feminist ideology there is the idea of the patriarchy, this gets turned into some people pointing fingers at specific men and blaming them.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

I recon its both, looks like the symptom makes the cause more potent makes the symptoms worse.

[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 21 points 1 month ago

It’s “The Woke”. Women are more visible in society as they are treated more equally, so certain (yes not all men) men see that as men losing rights and want to go back to “the good old days”

If you created a similar graph mapping the ideology gap between races or straight and LGBTQIA+ they’d look very similar.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fascism is sociologically rooted in the sexual insecurity of men. That's why it's always men driving it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Fascism is Capitalism in decline. Masculinity is a recognized part of fascism, but fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, not in moral failures of men.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fascism is capitalism when the capitalist class gets too successful, as soon as the capitalists realize they can establish fascism they always do.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not quite. Fascism occurs when disparity rises, the petite bourgeoisie are being proletarianized, and collaborates with the bourgeoisie against rising class awareness and leftism among the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat. It isn't a symptom of success, but a defense mechanism.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yet capitalism "failing" somehow consistently happens in every capitalist economy, at this point its basically a feature of capitalism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. Capitalism is unsustainable, and naturally trends towards disparity and Imperialism.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yet what I find extremely intriguing is that the capitalist class profits immensely when capitalism decays and therefore actively contributes towards its downfall. Therefore in a sence fascism is when the capitalist class is too successful and when nobody pushes back against their decay and corruption.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

People absolutely push back, which is why fascism happens. It's a defense mechanism against it.

I suggest reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds, it explains fascism and its origins.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

Women live in the same declining capitalistic society as men, yet they are far more resistant to fascism. That's not to say there is something wrong with men or masculinity. Society puts different pressures on men and women so they react differently.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Masculinity by your argument is also rooted in the development of vaccines, all of the aspects of technological progress, and also all progressive social movements that have resulted in more equitable distribution of political power, ie voting rights act, giving women the vote, etc.

[–] cakey@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

I mean, if history lessons in Italy taught me anything, the 'super uomo D'Annunziano', "D'annunzio" and the original italian 'fascism' are pretty much linked.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So facism is mens fault? I wonder how that effects a young man who isnt a facist while they are developing? Ur narrative is actively harming young men and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 14 points 1 month ago

No, it's not "men's" fault, but the people who's fault it is are primarily men. That's not an opinion, that's just history, not to mention what's happening before our eyes. Even women who are fascist push patriarchy. There is no point in debating whether fascism is primarily a male driven phenomenon. The only legitimate question is why?

[–] Chuymatt 9 points 1 month ago

Your misconstruing the statement. Fascism is a way for insecure men to feel powerful. These men are feeling insecure due to lack of job prospects, lack of honest to God to physical insecurity, and that also makes them less desirable to potential mates.

The way to protect against fascism is to ensure proper addressing of Maslow‘s-goddamn-hierarchy of needs. Endstage, capitalism leads to fascism, but it has to secure itself in spreading racism and sexism.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

to the privileged, equality is oppression. And therefore more pushback to maintain the status quo

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Rapid increases in the productive forces of South Korea has resulted in a progressive population of women and a hyper-reactionary population of men, the increase in productive forces was so rapid it caused a hyper-sharpening of contradictions with tradition.