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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (27 children)

I linked the absolute most liberal friendly source for you. Banning factionalism didn't mean they banned democracy. Banning of factionalism was done when there were literal fascists and Capitalists trying to infiltrate the party and reinstate Tsarism for their profits. You were allowed to have different ifeas, voice them, and vote on them.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's very kind of you to have chosen that as a source but it seems to have been an unfortunate pick.

Banning of factionalism was done when there were literal fascists and Capitalists trying to infiltrate the party and reinstate Tsarism for their profits.

It just happens that that was claimed to happen always, so you know, ban was only liften in 1989 as the article mentions lol. Funny how that happens.

You were allowed to have different ifeas, voice them, and vote on them.

Not even mentioning the lack of press freedom but Stalin famously purged a shitload of people on the basis of their political opinions. And voting in a strictly controlled single-party state, it does have the sound of a empty formality as the article had it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (19 children)

It just happens that that was claimed to happen always, so you know, ban was only liften in 1989 as the article mentions lol. Funny how that happens.

Looks like it was true! Millions of people died when the USSR was illegally dissolved afterwards, and the majority of living former-soviets say they prefered the Soviet System.

Not even mentioning the lack of press freedom but Stalin famously purged a shitload of people on the basis of their political opinions. And voting in a strictly controlled single-party state, it does have the sound of a empty formality as the article had it.

Liberalism and fascism were banned. Additionally, it is not at all an empty formality, unless you think every human being in a political party shares the exact same opinions, which is laughably false.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's always the case that authoritarian countries use a foreign threat as the reasoning for being so authoritarian. Tale as old as time.

Liberalism and fascism were banned.

So you think capitalist countries banning communist parties is all fine and dandy? Because that's not terribly democratic if you ask me.

Additionally, it is not at all an empty formality, unless you think every human being in a political party shares the exact same opinions, which is laughably false.

It's an empty formality when it's a single party, loyalty to is is demanded and any real criticism can lead you to be fucking killed. Stalin did not take this shit lightly and lots of people died as a result.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's always the case that authoritarian countries use a foreign threat as the reasoning for being so authoritarian. Tale as old as time.

Indeed, Socialism has been deemed "authoritarian" by foreign countries.

So you think capitalist countries banning communist parties is all fine and dandy? Because that's not terribly democratic if you ask me.

Of course not. The difference is that Capitalism and fascism are antidemocratic and get lots of innocents killed. You don't have to defend fascism. It's the paradox of tolerance.

It's an empty formality when it's a single party, loyalty to is is demanded and any real criticism can lead you to be fucking killed. Stalin did not take this shit lightly and lots of people died as a result.

This is ahisorical and silly. Even 2 people with the same views are different in numerous other ways, and there is an entire history of change and diverse viewpoints in the USSR.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Indeed, Socialism has been deemed “authoritarian” by foreign countries.

I wonder why something like the Soviet Union under Stalin would be called authoritarian. It's preposterous!

Of course not. The difference is that Capitalism and fascism are antidemocratic and get lots of innocents killed. You don’t have to defend fascism. It’s the paradox of tolerance.

It's just that they banned every other party.

This is ahisorical and silly. Even 2 people with the same views are different in numerous other ways, and there is an entire history of change and diverse viewpoints in the USSR.

Not so much tolerance for those viewpoints under Stalin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Weirdly even this site puts it very bluntly: https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/terror/index.htm

Based on the link I would've expected something else, but they are pretty upfront about it. Interesting website.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (46 children)

I urge you to pick up a history book on the Soviet Union if you think Stalin made up the entire political apparatus. Even the CIA disagrees with you there, because it was obvious.

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