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Note that this poll only targetted around 3000 UK adults aged 16+. Nonetheless I personally think the trend this poll highlights is worrying and worthy of discussion.

Also note I changed the original title to not use the terms "Gen Z" and "baby boomers" since I think putting in the ages is clearer.


Some choice quotes:

On feminism, 16% of [16 to 29-year-old] males felt it had done more harm than good. Among over-60s the figure was 13%.

One in four UK males aged 16 to 29 believe it is harder to be a man than a woman.

37% of men aged 16 to 29 consider “toxic masculinity” an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the number of young women who don’t like it.

The figures emerged from Ipsos polling for King’s College London’s Policy Institute and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership.

“This is a new and unusual generational pattern,” said Prof Bobby Duffy, director of the Policy Institute. “Normally, it tends to be the case that younger generations are consistently more comfortable with emerging social norms, as they grew up with these as a natural part of their lives.”

But Duffy said: “There is a consistent minority of between one-fifth and one-third who hold the opposite view. This points to a real risk of fractious division among this coming generation.”

Prof Rosie Campbell, director of the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership at King’s, said: “The fact that this group is the first to derive most of their information from social media is likely to be at least part of the explanation.

In the meantime, social media algorithms are filling the vacuum, she said. “This could be something that changes when young men enter the workforce but we can’t take that for granted given how important social media is in the way we understand ourselves.”

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[–] jarfil 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dunno. They both sound basically the same to me, maybe because I'm not a native speaker. What would be the difference?

[–] Smoke 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They're meant to, it's a more specific version of BLM with the same intended meaning, meant to make wilful misinterpretations by talking heads /right wing dingdongs as "Only Black Lives Matter" harder to sell.

[–] jarfil 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hm, so... "Only Black Lives Do Matter" would not be grammatically correct? or sound too long? or is there a connotation difference that I'm missing?

[–] Smoke 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's not the problem at all, the meaning of "Only Black Lives Matter" makes the movement sound like a black supremacist movement.

[–] jarfil 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I understand the problem, what I don't understand is the solution. Wouldn't "Only Black Lives Do Matter" make it also sound like a supremacist movement?

[–] Smoke 3 points 9 months ago

The current phrase is Black Lives Matter, which can be interpreted as:

  • Black Lives Matter (as opposed to other lives), or,
  • Black Lives Matter (as opposed to not mattering).

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My proposal would be to emphasise the latter meaning and make the first one more difficult to present, hence:

  • Black Lives Do Matter