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That's "suppressing theft masquerading as art is awesome" you hear in that comment.
Ah, it was the third option, ignorance.
Oh, I'm not at all ignorant of how horrible generative " art " is, but I appreciate you checking on me.
If it's horrible and it's also "masquerading" as human art, what does that say about human art?
Are you mad at people who can draw or something?
No, I'm just pointing out the common contradiction I see in threads like this, where people argue that AI is both a big threat to "traditional" artists and also that AI is terrible compared to "traditional" artists. It can't really be both.
The use of "horrible" in their comment isn't necessarily about the quality of the art. Judging from context it's probably more about the ethical considerations. So not really a contradiction.
He put quotes around the word "art", which gives me the opposite impression.
I just notice alot of cheerleaders for this " art " form come from a place of vindictiveness against people with artistic talent and their positions are rooted more in a desire to see people the view as gatekeepers receive comeuppance than an honest defense of an ostensive tool.
It totally can. Take the example of fast food. Simultaneously a threat to traditional cooking and terrible.
And yet there's still plenty of traditional restaurants.
Fast food provides a new option. It hasn't destroyed the old. And "terrible" is, once again, in the eye of the beholder - some people like it just fine.
Fast food damages the health of society and impoverishes communities.
Unhealthy things should be forbidden? Even if they were, this is drifting off of the subject of AI art.
Things that are bad for society should be suppressed and things which are good for society should be promoted. That would seem to be the point of a society.
Further, I notice a pastern in your replies of bringing up metaphor then rejecting the very metaphor as off topic or irrelevant when it is engaged to it's logical conclusion.
No accusing you of engaging in bad faith or anything, but it smells (sorry, metaphor again) less-than-fresh.
Should we also have a single wise man to decide which is which? That has been tried before, multiple times.
Well we certainly shouldn't have violence for violence, as is the Rule of Beasts.
Is AI art literally violent, or is this another analogy?
Great, now we just need to establish whether AI art is "bad for society", and if it is then whether the effects of attempting to ban it would be worse for society.
What metaphors did I bring up? You're the one who brought fast food into this. I don't see any other metaphors in play.
That seems fairly evident
You were fine engaging fastfood until I pointed out it, like AI " art " was terrible. Only then did you deride the metaphor as off topic.
Hardly. There wouldn't be much debate about it if it was, would there?
Alright, in future I will try to remember to immediately reject any metaphors you bring into play rather than attempt to engage with them.
Sure there can be. People debate crypto being good and that's roundly recognized as ecocide. People "debate" who counts as people all the time. People can be wrong and loud.
Not saying you have to do that, but if you don't it's rather untoward to bring it up later as though it's a problem.
Ethereum switched to proof-of-stake a year and a half ago, it no longer has a significant environmental impact.
Oh wait, this is an analogy, isn't it?
So you're into the other tech scam too, are ya?
Fancy that.
No, just pointing out who's in the "loud but wrong" camp on that one. If ecological concerns are why you think crypto is bad, well, that's not clear cut any more.
You want to keep going with this analogy you brought up, then?
I'm not the one who claimed they were off topic. I'm the one who was right about generative " art " being a god-damn scam. Easy mistake to make I suppose.
All analogies eventually fail when you dig into them far enough, by nature of what an analogy is. That is, an analogy is not exactly identical to the thing being analogized. If you want to be able to use analogies but refuse to acknowledge that they eventually lose relevance when you stretch them too far then you're simply not amenable to reason.
And then you go and explicitly beg the very question under debate with an "of course I'm right." No, AI art isn't a "scam," whatever you mean by that.
Oh buddy come on you can't actually be misunderstanding how they used "horrible." They're not saying it's bad quality they're saying it's bad morally
You realize how a word like that can have ambiguous meanings, yes?
Emphasis mine. The context clues make the intended meaning pretty obvious
Misunderstanding doesn’t make the comment into the type of gotcha you think it is
I just wish my printer could actually print a car. 200mm bed is a little small
Break it down into chunks and assemble it like Lego.
Now you're stealing from LEGO™! 🙀