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Even a "wife beater" can appreciate your points. However, if you will allow me to nitpick...
The statement was: "hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence".
And those kind of public statements were a gift for Likud who love escalation and now are making statements of their own (even less ambiguous) in favour of genocide.
The Western left wing got played by Hamas and Likud are now making the most of it.
Here in Australia the Green Party members of parliament (whom I otherwise support) walked out when the ruling party refused to sign a letter calling for Gazan peace. However the reason they didn't sign is because the letter omitted any mention of Oct 7. Played.
I hope you know I wasn't actually accusing you of being a wife beater. I thought it was the quintessential example of a loaded question and everyone knew of it... and would spark discussion about loaded questions. And how no matter what the response is, there's an inflammatory headline that can be drawn from it that will squeak by a court of law. Apparently 1 mod didn't know the reference.
I know, but it's still not supporting genocide, or the violence in general.
Absolutely, they're taking what was said out of context and turning it into propaganda.
Yup. Some of the blame rests with the American right wing too. Instead of trying to diffuse the situation, they poured fuel on the fire. They're looking for any way to damage the left and don't care about the cost. Instead of calling the statement insensitive victim blaming, and trying to calm things down, they lied to boost themselves and hurt others. This would not be propaganda for Hamas or Likud without the American right wing's assistance.
I disagree. We are at an impasse but our interim discussion was productive at least.
I reported you to the mod. It seemed to be the kind of thing I was escaping Reddit from. Am glad to hear you were not being an asshole. Certainly your reasonable tone later had me confused so I am glad I mentioned it.
I think we agree the right wing is getting the upper hand and out of hand despite public sympathy for Palestinian civilians.
Some of them probably are hypocritically subscribing to the "Elders of Zion" hoax while jumping on anything remotely anti-semitic from the Left.
I do worry about a rise of anti-Semitism whether from the Left or the Right. I don't think Germans were genetically evil and that it could not be repeated. The thirst for scapegoating is insatiable. Jews are the eternal go-to scapegoat and so I keep raising my voice amongst fellow left wingers to ensure we don't feed that.
No worries, I guess it's not as common as I think. I did talk with one of the other mods this morning and they understood what I was aiming for and didn't think it should have been removed.
We do.
Boggles my mind.
Me too. Any kinda of 'out-grouping or othering' for that matter.