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Seriously this was very surprising. I've been experimenting with GrayJay since it was announced and I largely think it's a pretty sweet app. I know there are concerns over how it isn't "true open source" but it's a hell of a lot more open than ReVanced. Plus, I like the general design and philosophy of the app.

I updated the YouTube backend recently and to my surprise and delight they had added support for SponsorBlock. However, when I went to enable it, it warned me "turning this on harms creators" and made me click a box before I could continue.

Bruh, you're literally an ad-blocking YouTube frontend. What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to be facilitating ad-blocking and then at the same time shame the end-user for using an extension which simply automates seeking ahead in videos. Are you seriously gonna tell me that even without Sponsorblock, if I skip ahead past the sponsored ad read in a video, that I'm "harming the creator"?

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[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 107 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I believe this is because sponsor segments are like traditional TV ads. They don't use trackers, they are not targeted and they respect your privacy.

[–] xep@kbin.social 85 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

They don’t use trackers, they are not targeted and they respect your privacy.

In that case it won't matter to anyone that I skipped them.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

As I've mentioned in another thread, I believe YouTube provides analytics on this (hence the "most replayed" parts for some videos), and I'm certain I've seen some creators mention sposors requiring that information before a deal is made. So it may really hurt some small youtubers that can't rely on merchandise sales.

That said, I personally use sponsorblock as I don't feel like wasting my life on nordvpn ads, but I have to admit sponsor segments are a whole lot better than regular YouTube ads.

Edit: And as I far as I know they pay much better than regular ads.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 5 points 11 months ago

The most replayed section won't count your view anyway since you're watching through an unofficial app that doesn't send tracking data to YouTube

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

It's true that YouTube does track the most watched portions of a video, but in the case of clients like NewPipe or this one the way the video is parsed it doesn't send the analytic data necessary, so it likely doesn't even count views, let alone watched segments.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They don’t use trackers,

Well, they can see whether you watched them or not. So technically still tracked. At least in the official youtube app.

[–] Kir@feddit.it 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They don't respect my attention and time, thought

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean, the person making the video you are watching respected your time to the point they put in 10-100x the amount of time it takes you to watch that video to make it.

And the sponsor ad is how they afford said time commitment.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

they put in 10-100x the amount of time it takes you to watch that video to make it.

And show it to millions of people... So per capita... I put in more time then they did.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 months ago

Apologies. You are the true hero. Thank you for your service

[–] kernelle@0d.gs 5 points 11 months ago

Hence why it might be hurtful to small creators. I'd love to see the numbers on that though, as the overall percentage of people using an adblocker is very low, I assume for Sponsorblock it's significantly less.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No not even close. You did not put in more time.

[–] brothershamus@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Then they fucked up.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

I completely agree with you, and that's the reason I block them as well. I was just trying to give an explaination for the app's behaviour.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

It's also under control of what the creator placed in the video. Youtube can insert commercials into your video, even if you chose not to monetize it.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

You are right! I used to hate on sponsors but now I understand that they are way better than targeted ads.