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[โ€“] Godless_Nematode@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

A good percentage of waitpersons in the country are working below minimim wage so there is precedent for this type of carve-out to labor laws. Prisons are chock full of exploited workers with no labor rights. If the intellectually challenged are to be treated equally then they should have every right to be grossly exploited like the rest of them.

[โ€“] sexy_peach@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

Is this a joke?

[โ€“] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What kind of nonsense crab in the bucket mindset is this? Good lord...

[โ€“] Godless_Nematode@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you are okay with waitstaff and prisoners being underpaid then you will be okay with others suffering the same fate.

[โ€“] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What the hell are you talking about? I'm in favor of everyone getting access to livable wages, do you not understand that? And why on earth would you think being grossly exploited is a "right"? I urge you to look into what rights are because my god, you're so embarrassingly lost and worse, so confidently wrong.

[โ€“] Godless_Nematode@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So, you refuse to enter restaurants that do not pay their staff a living wage? If you do go to restaurants, then you believe that less than minimum wage is acceptable "in some cases" and are being hypocritical. If you accept goods and services created with prison labor then you accept wage exception and are being hypocritical. As a society, if we accept one exception, then we accept all exceptions. https://blog.globaltel.com/companies-use-prison-labor/

[โ€“] frippa@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Capitalism is to abolish, all these thing you Listed are just some of the symptoms

[โ€“] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So, you refuse to enter restaurants that do not pay their staff a living wage

Yes, I do. I haven't been to a restaurant in years and if I'm in a pool of people buying something like pizza, I tip 25% cash even though I'm broke as fuck. I intentionally avoiding buying non-essential consumables specifically because I don't want to use what little money I have to support exploitation. It's a huge reason why I strongly believe in buying products that will last as long as possible-- to avoid having to re-buy and re-support capitalism.

What about my comments lead you to believe I accept goods and services created with prison labor? What you're saying makes zero sense-- you just keep putting words in my mouth and then being like "BUWHADDABOUT THAT HUH?! HUH?!"

Seeing that I've answered your question, why haven't you been able to answer my question? Why do you think being grossly exploited is a "right"? Use your brain-- playing devil's advocate and being a contrarian is only useful if you raise valid points, not if you misunderstand basic definitions like what a right is and isn't.

[โ€“] Godless_Nematode@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you go to McDonalds or Starbucks, you are using goods created with prison labor.

Not doing something because you are dead as broke is not a principle. One person leaving a large tip is still playing into a system designed to exploit workers, mostly women.

If you leave the door open to allow one group to be disadvantaged, you leave it open for all.

[โ€“] MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Why can't you answer my very simple question? I was courteous enough to answer yours, so why are you unable to reciprocate?

[โ€“] sexy_peach@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

I am not okay with those things obviously.

[โ€“] comfy@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Precedent isn't a good justification for policy. Especially in the USA, which is an outlier in most of these issues.