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What is the point of Flatpak, AppImage, Snap, etc? (self.foss)

submitted 1 year ago by hypevhs to c/foss

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I don't understand what problem they are meant to solve. If you have a FOSS piece of software, you can install it via the package manager. Or the store, which is just a frontend for the package manager. I see that they are distribution-independent, but the distro maintainers likely already know what's compatible and what your system needs to install the software. You enjoy that benefit only through the package manager.

If your distro ships broken software because of dependency problems, you don't need a tool like Flatpak, you need a new distro.

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[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think the comment refers to this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD_jail

[–] furrowsofar 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure. This is a container basically not a distribution format. Not sure how this is different from Linux containers though Linux has a bunch of options. Not sure which is most similar.

[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I think the BSDs lead the way with some things, like jails. But they're not distribution formats. But jailing is part of things like Flatpak. And we have chroots and systemd nspawn. I think I misread the comment and it was more shitposting than anything of substance.

[–] furrowsofar 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is the thing about Linux. Linux is so huge and has so many ways of doing things that the days of knowing everything are gone. Same with many of the important tools too. Python has gotten way vast too for example.

[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is kind of old people behaviour. I'm still not 100% sure if I'm getting more conservative, having difficulty with things changing, or if things really used to be better... They're different, that's for sure. And I have some valid criticism for some things, too.

[–] furrowsofar 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Frankly I loved my Commodore 64. My Linux box is better in every measurable way but there was something to simplicity and a time where just making a sound and drawing on the screen with a computer you could afford was quite a thing.

Same with Python. Started using it about 1998. It was simple enough that I learned the language in a day. Now there is so much more. Then add packages for everything these days... lot of the work is understanding packages, venvs, how to deploy, not just opening idle or pywin and writing stuff. Sure Spyder or one of the other IDEs can do static checking, have doc at your fingertips, integrate a debugger, and have a graphical shell where you can do all sorts of stuff. Changes the feel of programming though.

[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hehe, that's called nostalgia. I can feel that, too. 😊 Things used to be simpler but that had some appeal to it. And a different vibe. And you had to work hard. That made your achievements more rewarding than spending your time fighting with complex buildchains.