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[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If you're considering buying one you might want to take into account that they removed the headphone jack so they can sell their own wireless buds and headphones.

[–] derbolle@feddit.de 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

you mean this strange old socket that is (at least for me) primarily used for collecting dust since almost a decade? yeah, personally I can live without it.

and this fortunately is not apple. You can use every brand of earbud and use all of the features, so I don't really get your point at all. the phone is very good and I hope I will be able to use it until the 30s

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having a headphone jack will let you use any kind of headphone produced in the last 50 years, which has a 3.5mm jack. Also, while listening to music you could also charge your phone, if you choose to, but not with a USB-C only port. Furthermore, USB-C DACs are stupid, they are an annoyance, even the ones with the shortest cables - I broke three of them in two months because they're idiotically designed and they don't fold in my pocket - a thing that never happened with headphone cables.

[–] dynamo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

You also don't get a noticeable delay on the audio, which imo makes watching any video horrible

[–] aard@kyu.de 11 points 1 year ago

Two years in and providing a USB-C adapter my wife is still complaining that her current phone doesn't have a headphone jack.

For my daughter I selected the phone mostly for repairability combined with colour choice, which landed me with Nokia - which ended up having a headphone jack. Didn't pay attention to that, but she's happy it is there.

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always plug in my car stereo to that old socket in my car...

[–] Scrappy@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might want to look into a bluetooth to FM radio dongle

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I tried one, it sucked balls, it was a cheap brand though, so I'm open to recommendations.

[–] Kraiden@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this a fair argument in 2023 with all the options for wireless headphones/buds? I feel like it still sucks because you can't use your dollar store wired sets, but there are enough cheap raycon clones out now that it's hardly a guaranteed secondary sale at this point.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

because you can’t use your dollar store wired sets, but there are enough cheap raycon clones out now that it’s hardly a guaranteed secondary sale at this point.

It's more about not being able to use existing high-end headphones and IEMs. It's wasteful and expensive to replace those.

There are workarounds of course, but it's never as nice as having a real headphone jack to work with.

[–] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I already have a good set of headphones. I don't want to buy new ones or adapters, especially when I can just buy a device that they can plug straight into

[–] Kraiden@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look, I do understand, and it took me a while to buy into the wireless buds thing, but you could have made the same argument for PS/2 mouse and keyboards, or anything using mini, and then later, micro USB.

The fact is, if you want to keep your old peripherals, but upgrade your main compute device, at some point you need to accept that you'll need an adapter.

The 3.5mm jack was first introduced in the 1950s as a mini version of the 6.5mm jack... which was used as far back as 1878... it's had a hell of a run, but if you weigh the pros and cons fairly, wireless as a standard has drawbacks, but is actually, ultimately an upgrade and it's well overdue.

I just think there are enough wireless options (and adapters) available now that it's not fair to knock fairphone for this decision anymore.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My main issue with all of this is that I'm not interested in maintaining a charge for yet another wireless device.

I'm a frequent flier for work. My wired noise cancelling headphones run on a single AAA battery for 14+ hours straight. I can buy a small pack of AAA batteries at the airport in 30 seconds and get 60 hours of listening time. I don't have to worry about putting them back in their carrying/charger case. I don't have to worry about charging that case. If they go flat and I don't have a spare AAA battery (the case actually has a convenient hole for a spare AAA), they still work, albeit with a noisier background. And they plug into in flight entertainment system headphone sockets. Haven't seen a Bluetooth option on IFE systems yet.

Would I want to go jogging with my wired headphones? No. I do have a pair of bose wireless earbuds, and they're nice. But every time I think about using them, they are flat in their charging case. I don't want to have to keep the charging case on charge soooooo for 90 percent of my usage , the wired ones it is.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My noise-canceling, Bluetooth headphones in 2004 ran for 2 days, no problem (back when I was flying for work all the time).

"Another thing to charge" is a strawman. They all use C or micro today, and headphones use so little power your laptop can easily charge them. Or even your phone.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Another thing to charge" is a strawman.

They are not functional for the time it takes to get a useful charge into them. I'll just pause that movie and pop my buds back into their charging case for a while, it's so convenient. So, like I said, you have to maintain their charge, alongside the other devices that have to have their charge maintained.

A lot of it has to do with BLE running constantly in the background (things like find my buds, "easy connect" features with their own management app tend to use it). If you fly like, once a week , and have a headset for flying, you need to check on its charge, as BLE will slowly grind it down to nothing while it sits in your travel bag.

My noise-canceling, Bluetooth headphones in 2004 ran for 2 days, no problem (back when I was flying for work all the time).

What brand were they? I bought my current set of Bose corded noise cancelling headphones in 2015 precisely because battery life in Bluetooth products was still reasonably abysmal. I'm guessing that they were one of the very first sets to come out, seeing that regular consumer Bluetooth headphones only appeared on the market in 2003.

[–] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

The lack of headphone jack is the sole reason I went with Samsung XCover 6Pro instead. Shame really, because I'm the kind of person who uses their device for +5 years, and prefer fixing stuff myself, but when Apple removed the headphone jack I made a decision to never buy a device without one if there's an alternative with it and I'm still sticking with that. I bought an "outdated" laptop aswell because the newer model didn't have USB-A, HDMI or a card reader. Ironically the most recent models now do.

That was one of the main reasons I was interested in their phones :/

[–] Stephen304@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I just keep a USB c dongle permanently attached to my wired headphones, I forget it's there. It adds like 1" to the overall cable length. I basically just converted all my wired headphones into USB c headphones.

[–] Vincent@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can also buy a cheap USB C-to-headphone-jack adapter.

The main reason they did it is to get a higher water-proof rating, making it easier to last longer.

[–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please stop with water resistance nonsense. There were phones with headphone jacks that were waterproof.

[–] Vincent@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Copying my reply to this same point from elsewhere:

Those phones were presumably glued together and not as repairable as the Fairphone is. Which is very useful, but does lower your waterproof rating, hence the need to compensate elsewhere.

I really feel like people are too quick to assume malice, generally. Often, there are just trade-offs with no clearly-right answer, and it's not obvious to folks like us on the outside what those trade-offs are.

[–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Galaxy S5 not only had a headphone jack and was water resistant but it had a removable battery as well.

[–] Vincent@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you also replace the screen, camera's, USB port, loudspeaker and earpiece with nothing but a screwdriver?

[–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see how is exclusion of headphone jack going to help with water resistance if everything is held with screws anyway.

[–] Vincent@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My guess would be that it's one less hole that water/dust can get in?

[–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they figured out a way to keep it out of usb c hole then it isn't a rocket science to keep the water from going in through headphone jack.

[–] Vincent@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

What I'm assuming happens is that no way is fool-proof, so they managed to limit the amount going into the USB port, and they'd be able to limit the amount going into the jack, but not by enough to tip it over the edge of the rating.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, Fairphone lied I guess. You obviously no better than the manufacturers. It's not like other phones with those jacks likely cost more to water proof those jacks or anything. Everything is always exactly the same and doesn't cost extra to do anything differently.

Judging by how much phones cost I expect them to be water resistant and have headphone jack. And besides, Fairphone said they removed it because it was a "point of failure" while conveniently releasing their own wireless headphones.