These experts on AI are here to help us understand important things about AI.
Who are these generous, helpful experts that the CBC found, you ask?
"Dr. Muhammad Mamdani, vice-president of data science and advanced analytics at Unity Health Toronto", per LinkedIn a PharmD, who also serves in various AI-associated centres and institutes.
"(Jeff) Macpherson is a director and co-founder at Xagency.AI", a tech startup which does, uh, lots of stuff with AI (see their wild services page) that appears to have been announced on LinkedIn two months ago. The founders section lists other details apart from J.M.'s "over 7 years in the tech sector" which are interesting to read in light of J.M.'s own LinkedIn page.
Other people making points in this article:
C. L. Polk, award-winning author (of Witchmark).
"Illustrator Martin Deschatelets" whose employment prospects are dimming this year (and who knows a bunch of people in this situation), who per LinkedIn has worked on some nifty things.
"Ottawa economist Armine Yalnizyan", per LinkedIn a fellow at the Atkinson Foundation who used to work at the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.
Could the CBC actually seriously not find anybody willing to discuss the actual technology and how it gets its results? This is archetypal hood-welded-shut sort of stuff.
Things I picked out, from article and round table (before the video stopped playing):
Does that Unity Health doctor go back later and check these emergency room intake predictions against actual cases appearing there?
Who is the "we" who have to adapt here?
AI is apparently "something that can tell you how many cows are in the world" (J.M.). Detecting a lack of results validation here again.
"At the end of the day that's what it's all for. The efficiency, the productivity, to put profit in all of our pockets", from J.M.
"You now have the opportunity to become a Prompt Engineer", from J.M. to the author and illustrator. (It's worth watching the video to listen to this person.)
Me about the article:
I'm feeling that same underwhelming "is this it" bewilderment again.
Me about the video:
Critical thinking and ethics and "how software products work in practice" classes for everybody in this industry please.
I wanna expand on this a bit because it was a rush job.
This part...
...is a bit wrong. The AI environment has no stability now because it's a mess of products fighting for sensationalist attention. But if it ever gains stability, as in there being a single starting point for learning AI, it will be because a product, or a brand, won. You'll be learning a product just like people learned Flash.
Seeing people in here talk about CoPilot or ChatGPT and examples of how they have found it useful is exactly why we're going to find ourselves in a situation where software products discourage any kind of unconventional or experimental ways of doing things. Coding isn't a clean separation between mundane, repetitive, pattern-based, automatable tasks and R&D style, hacking, or inventiveness. It's a recipe for applying the "wordpress theme" problem to everything where the stuff you like to do, where your creativity drives you, becomes a living hell. Like trying to customise a wordpress theme to do something it wasn't designed to do.
The stories of chatgpt helping you out of a bind are the exact stories that companies like openAI will let you tell to advertise for them, but they'll never go all in on making their product really good at those things because then you'll be able to point at them and say "ahah! it can't do this stuff!"
I might know what you mean, but tell some more?
It's my own name I made up from a period in the late 2000s, early 2010s when I'd have a lot of freelance clients ask me to build their site "but it's easy because I have already purchased an awesome theme, I just need you to customise it a bit"
It's the same as our current world of design systems and component libraries. They get you 95% of the way and assume that you just fill in the 5% with your own variations and customisations. But what really happens is you have 95% worth of obstruction from making what would normally be the most basic CSS adjustment.
It's really hard to explain to someone that it'd be cheaper and faster if they gave me designs and I built a theme from scratch than it would be to panel-beat their pre-built theme into the site they want.
"customise" is the biggest lie in dev ever told
oh my god, this was all of my clients when I was in college
ah. yeah. I know what you mean.
I have a set of thoughts on a related problem in this (which I believe I've mentioned here before (and, yes, still need to get to writing)).
the dynamics of precision and loss, in communication, over time, socially, end up resulting in some really funky setups that are, well, mutually surprising to most/all parties involved pretty much all of the time
and the further down the chain of loss of precision you go, well, godspeed soldier
Also, like, when you simplify the complicated parts of something, what happens to the parts of that thing that were already simple? They don’t get more simple, usually they become more complex, or not possible at all anymore.
one of the things I love ranting about, and teaching (yes, seriously), to people, is that
simple != simplicity
it's a nuanced little distinction. but it's also a distinction with worlds of variances.
and there are so, so, so, so, so, so many people who think the former is the goal
it's a fucking scourge
I also like your Lisp bracketing
once you learn that I'm, at most, touristly familiar with lisp
you learn that the inside of my mind (and how it contextualises) is a deeply scary place
Reading back, this sounds a bit unhinged
I've been watching the 5 hours of tobacco advertising hearings from the 90s in a floating window while working on code spaghetti vue js components all day.
well, that's definitely one of the more novel ways I've heard of for spending a thursday
seriously, every minute of these hearings is fascinating. Just some of the most evil, greedy, slimy shit coming out of the mouths of suited up old white men who are trying every single misdirection possible to justify targeted marketing of tobacco
(~stream of consciousness commentary because spoon deficit:)
I've seen samples of it used in some media before
I haven't ever gotten to watch it myself
probably there's value in viewing and analyzing it in depth, because... a lot of other bad actors (involved in current-day bad) pull pretty much the "same sort of shit"
the legal methodology and wordwrangling and dodging may have evolved (<- speculation/guess)
but near certainly there's a continuum
If you feel like it :)
https://archive.org/details/tobacco_pxv27a00
I've lost my link to part 2 somehow...
I would say that the modern techniques are not as modern as I thought. I'm seeing plenty of similarities to crypto whataboutisms and ai charlatans claiming to care about the common person.
Not sure if this'll work - but here's a clip I posted on masto of a guy basically saying tobacco companies should be able to advertise because advertising is a fight for market share, not for increasing the market https://hci.social/@fasterandworse/111142173296522921
I might have some headspace this weekend, will try
otherwise, sometime in the nearwhen
People forget just how evil the tobacco companies were. A factor in why I don't smoke is that I just don't want people like this to earn money.
the hearing is just for regulations on their advertising practices too. One of the most common complaints from the lobbyists was "if you want to do this you should go all the way and outlaw smoking completely" as if a marlboro logo on an f1 car was keeping the industry alive.
the gall of selling a literally addictive product then complaining they wouldn't let you advertise enough. buddy, you don't need to advertise! nicotine is doing your work for you!
You can tell they really don’t want to address that part. They keep playing the “adults can make their own decisions” card.
The thing is these restrictions on advertising helped tobacco companies develop some of the more covert marketing techniques that are normal today.
cough user experience cough
Ooh, could you elaborate? I don't know anything about "user experience" marketing. I suppose the heavy regulation was teamed with a big media and cultural anti-tobacco push and as that faded the effectiveness of tobacco ad regulation also faded.
The Bureau of Investigative Journalism has done some interesting reporting on tobacco/vape marketing today - for example whether influencer and digital marketing is being used to quietly push vape and tobacco ads on teenagers.
I tend to rave a bit about how I consider commercial user experience design/research to be marketing by another name. Particularly because the practitioners like to posture a role that has them caring about people's needs, wants, and well-being. As if they are an adversarial third-party keeping capitalist interests at bay. The unrealisticness of that posture has created a divide of types of UX designers. From junior/mids who are in a state of despair because they were told they would be exercising empathy in their job to seniors who are comfortable with their role in customer acquisition/retention.
I think it makes a good point
Thanks! It's not really unhinged, just written in an unhinged manner I think. Trying to make too many points in a small space
I mean, sometimes that’s my entire posting style, and that’s before I start ranting about capitalism
Don’t tone police yourself dawg, it’s all good